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shippingsteel

Can anyone familiar with the German steel helmet makers assist with identifying the partial markings on this apparent M16 Stahlhelm.?

The stampings are found in the regular position on the left-hand side under-skirt. It could be something like A L then the size numerals.?

 

Cheers, SS

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shippingsteel

Possibly a better view of the stamping

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Michael Haselgrove

Hi S>S,

The maker is, I think, Richard Lindenberg A.G. of Remscheid-Hasten.  Collectors refer to the firm as Bell L. since the marking is in the form of a trademark "bell" shape before the letter L.  The firm only made size 64 shells and, on your second photo you can just about make out the 64 after the L.

Regards,

Michael. 

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shippingsteel

Many thanks Michael it is one of those hard ones where if familiar with the regular stamping it would just jump out at you.! Helmets are not my strong point hence the questions.

Are you a collector of these things Michael.? I was wondering about paintwork and if there is a standard original colour scheme that should be looked for as opposed to other later refinishes which may erode the collector value.? Also if that stated maker has any more value than others of the period.?

 

Cheers, SS

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Michael Haselgrove

SS,

Yes, helmets are my main interest, but only from the Great War period.  

As far as the marking on German helmets are concerned the subject is not too complicated.  There were thirteen manufacturers of helmet shells and five sizes.  There is also the marking to identify the maker/supplier of the steel and the "heat" or "batch" number which is usually found stamped to the interior top of the helmet.  As to rarity/value of each manufacturer/size the debate continues.  However, most collectors will probably agree that helmets made by Korting & Mathiesen (K & M) are very rare and will attract a premium as will other manufacturers/sizes to a lesser extent.  Also, any size 60 helmet is fairly rare as comparatively few were manufactured by only two manufacturers.  Really I suppose there is a direct comparison to be made with the collecting of P.1907 bayonets?

I can't really help as to paint finishes as the standard finish varied somewhat at the time as far as thickness of paint, shade and finish.  That variation has been increased since manufacture by use at the time and since then by storage conditions, handling, etc.  My advice to someone who is unsure of a given helmet might be, before purchasing, to join a forum specializing in helmets and post detailed photos for an opinion.

In case it helps I attach a photo of the "Bell L" stamp from one of my helmets.  Interestingly, as I understand it, the bell is not a bell at all but rather an electric furnace.

Michael.     

    

 

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shippingsteel

Thanks again Michael, that is very informative. I do have a particular example that I am currently looking at ... err ... for a friend.!! Probably another pathway an errant collector should not venture down lightly ... :thumbsup:

Anyway perhaps I will PM you some better photos of the paintwork on this helmet of interest for your considered and expert opinion. :)

 

Cheers, SS

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shippingsteel

Here is another marking by the same maker for comparison. It's easy to find them when you know what you are looking for.!

It seems they are generally quite lightly stamped ... with only the letter L standing out with the deeper impression.

 

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