Guest Posted 20 May , 2020 Share Posted 20 May , 2020 This is my first post, so sorry if I've not done it correctly. I saw a thread about the above, most of which ceased around 2012. I am aware of Grisewood's involvement with 11th Sussex and his subsequent transfer to 17th Manchester. I also know that he was gassed on the Somme in August or September 1916 and I believe he returned to the UK. What I am trying to establish is whether he was subsequently invalided out or eventually returned to a position of command during the War. Any information would be appreciated. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mancpal Posted 20 May , 2020 Share Posted 20 May , 2020 (edited) If as it would appear he was gassed with the 17th Manchesters (2nd Mcr Pals) you may consider the Manchester Regt Forum as another potential source. The 17ths war diary may narrow down the likely gas attack (war diaries currently free to download from the National Archives) but this won't answer your question. If he was invalided out then I'd assume he'd have had a SWB and a pension record though I'm not sure if same rules applied to officers. Simon Edited 20 May , 2020 by mancpal Grammatical S*:#@E Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seaJane Posted 21 May , 2020 Share Posted 21 May , 2020 I checked the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography entry for his son (the Harman Grisewood who was a friend of David Jones) and that assigns Harman Grisewood senior to another regiment, thus: - "one of four children of Lieutenant-Colonel Harman Joseph Grisewood of the 4th Hussars, who had been secretary of the Anti-Socialist Union, and his wife, Lucille Geneviève, née Cardozo." Does this indicate a new command after his time in the UK? Also, from the Bankruptcy Acts, 1914 and 1926, in the London Gazette for December 4, 1928 - https://www.thegazette.co.uk/Edinburgh/issue/14501/page/1364/data.pdf "Harman Joseph Grisewood, late 5 Warwick Gardens, Kensington, London, but at present residing at Casa Messina, Rabats, Malta, a Colonel in H.M. Army (retired), a domiciled Englishman." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mancpal Posted 21 May , 2020 Share Posted 21 May , 2020 "Anti-Socialist Union". I knew I didn't like the cut of his jib. Simon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin DavidOwen Posted 21 May , 2020 Admin Share Posted 21 May , 2020 According to these links he did not command another battalion after he was invalided in 1916. http://www.ww1infantrycos.co.uk/sussex.html http://www.ww1infantrycos.co.uk/manchester.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David_Underdown Posted 21 May , 2020 Share Posted 21 May , 2020 It looks like he had pre-war service in 4th Hussars https://www.thegazette.co.uk/all-notices/notice?service=all-notices&text="harman+joseph+mary+grisewood" - I haven't managed to track down his original commission (Wikipedia article on his son also mentions Royal Buckinghamshire Yeomanry too). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corisande Posted 21 May , 2020 Share Posted 21 May , 2020 His obit does not even mention the Manchesters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travers61 Posted 21 May , 2020 Share Posted 21 May , 2020 May have been invalided out June 1917 from these two LG entries: London Gazette 29 May 1917 R. Suss. R. Temp Lt-Col H. J. Grisewood relinquishes his temp rank on relinquishing comd of a bn 1st June 1917 London Gazette 8th June 1917 H.J. Grisewood late temp Lt Col cmd. a ser. bn R.Suss R. to be granted hon rank of Lt Col 1st June 1917. Army lists on ancestry show him as 2nd Lt 4th Hussars in 1902, but London Gazette shows he resigned 1904. This may be his Bucks Hussars service: Harman Grisewood age 20 yr 4 mo born Paris, France Occupation: Independent enlists as no 10385 in Imperial Yeomanry on 19 Feb 1900 at Buckingham. to South Africa 16 Mar 1900 posted to 57 Co XV Battn Imperial Yeomanry father Harman Grisewood, The Den, Bognor, Sussex. https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=61803&h=60021874&tid=&pid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=BvZ2&_phstart=successSource The Buckinghamshire Yeomanry raised & sponsored 57th (Buckinghamshire) Company, 15th Battalion of the Imperial Yeomanry whicharrived in S.A. from Feb-Apr 1900. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Buckinghamshire_Yeomanry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 15 June , 2020 Share Posted 15 June , 2020 Thanks for all the posts. I was aware of Bucks Yeomanry and 4th Hussars connection. I believe he also served as ADC to Lord Curzon at one point. Still not managed to confirm his whereabouts after being invalided from 17 Manchester in August 1916. Thanks again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Broomfield Posted 16 June , 2020 Share Posted 16 June , 2020 On 21/05/2020 at 01:47, mancpal said: "Anti-Socialist Union". I knew I didn't like the cut of his jib. Simon Oh, I dunno ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidbohl Posted 16 June , 2020 Share Posted 16 June , 2020 Looks like went into academic circles, here's the London News from the BNA 1927 Dave Published: Saturday 19 February 1927Newspaper: Illustrated London News Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajsmith Posted 16 June , 2020 Share Posted 16 June , 2020 1 hour ago, davidbohl said: Looks like went into academic circles, here's the London News from the BNA 1927 I think that's his son also Harman J Grisewood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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