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CharlotteMM

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I am very lucky to have a sizeable family photo album from the war, which belonged to my Great Grandfather. He is the only person I recognise in the album and I'd love to be able to identify more. I can't even work out what regiment he was in online so my starting point hasn't been good.

 

1: Front right is my Great Grandfather, Edward Charles Twitt b1899 d1986. (Not to be confused with an uncle of the same name who was in the navy - he was b1880)

I strongly suspect the person front left is his brother, George Henry Twitt b1892 d1916. He is featured in many other photos yet I have no other photos of him as an adult like I do for Edward and his siblings. I believe they are in a mounted regiment?

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2 Cricket and Football: Who I suspect is George can be seen back right. 

 

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"The All Indian Football Team" (the writing by the footballs says 'a football' and 'another football'!) Edward Charles can be seen back row centre, he is the tallest. Is there any information around about sports during the war that I can refer to for either of these photos?

 

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I don't recognise anyone in this, but it is a lovely photo. Are there any clues you can recognise?

I have so many more photos than these, of men with guns, on horses, relaxing and then many postcards of India which has the location on them if that is more helpful? Would brothers typically be placed together? I have another photo of a man in the same uniform as the first one signed 'E. Burt. India 1917' if that helps to confirm regiment? Thank you!

 

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Charlotte,

  Welcome to the forum.

  The photos are very interesting.

  I can't help with Edward, but I can tell that George Henry served in the Royal Canadian Horse Artillery. His service records are here:- https://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/military-heritage/first-world-war/personnel-records/Pages/item.aspx?IdNumber=268999

Click on the blue text in the middle of the page to download his complete records.

 

Regards,

 

Alf McM

 

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There are no army records for Edward Charles Twitt, but there is a medal record card for Charles E. Twitt at The National Archives which is free to download at present. I think rhis may be your grandfather, he is a Driver in the Royal Artillery and there is a good chance that he served in India.  https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D5659055

 

Regards,

 

Alf McM

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Hello 

 

Love the pictures ;P

 

 

George Henry Twitt b1892 d1916

 

A few pages of information on him an Ancestry.co.uk

 

Enlisted 28\ 10 \1914 with the RCHA

 

Also with 22nd Battery CEF, 6 Brigade

 

He died of wounds received in action on 13\1\1916, perforating shell wound of abdomen

Picked up by 2 Canadian Field Amb then to -

no 8 Casualty Clearing Station

I think possibly at Rouen

 

 

John

 

 

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Thank you both for your help! One of the postcards I have is addressed from a solider in the "attached section, 9th hants regt, ?Intogh'. Is there any way of identifying that regiment further? I can't seem to find specifics. The postcard is asking a friend to pick up a bag he left at the platform in Lahore before he the regiment moves on to Ferozepore. 

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4 hours ago, johnmelling1979 said:

Hello 

 

Love the pictures ;P

 

 

George Henry Twitt b1892 d1916

 

A few pages of information on him an Ancestry.co.uk

 

Enlisted 28\ 10 \1914 with the RCHA

 

Also with 22nd Battery CEF, 6 Brigade

 

He died of wounds received in action on 13\1\1916, perforating shell wound of abdomen

Picked up by 2 Canadian Field Amb then to -

no 8 Casualty Clearing Station

I think possibly at Rouen

 

 

John

 

 

 

If we're talking about the chap in the photos, then I suspect we can discount this one: the photos seem to be of a unit in India during the Great War, so Canadian artillerymen are probably not a match, unless the brother who died is not in the pictures above, surely?

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Yes that sounds right. A shame. I have so many photos of whoever he is, he must have been a close friend. They seemed to share photos of each other a lot as I have many individual photos of people in the same uniform, some signed, others not. I just wish I could identify them all!

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46 minutes ago, CharlotteMM said:

Thank you both for your help! One of the postcards I have is addressed from a solider in the "attached section, 9th hants regt, ?Intogh'. Is there any way of identifying that regiment further? I can't seem to find specifics. The postcard is asking a friend to pick up a bag he left at the platform in Lahore before he the regiment moves on to Ferozepore. 

 

The 9th Hampshires were a Territorial Cyclist battalion; they had a most unusual war, not returning to UK until (I think) 1920 after a rather around the world voyage from India via Russia and the trans-Siberian railway. I'd love to see this postcard 

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6 minutes ago, Steven Broomfield said:

 

The 9th Hampshires were a Territorial Cyclist battalion; they had a most unusual war, not returning to UK until (I think) 1920 after a rather around the world voyage from India via Russia and the trans-Siberian railway. I'd love to see this postcard 

 

I've tried my best to edit the back so it is as legible as possible, I can't quite work out what he's left behind....his ???? haversack

 

Let me know what your guess is!

 

 

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2 minutes ago, alf mcm said:

Charlotte,

  The word is 'topee', it's the name used for a sun helmet.

 

Regards,

 

Alf McM

 

Ah brilliant! That makes so much more sense than my original thoughts of toffee or coffee!!! Ha

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Love the postcard, 'Made in Germany'. The irony.

 

Nice card, thanks for sharing

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The initial photo almost certainly shows Royal Horse Artillery (the tight pantaloons strapped under the boots confirm this), as does the next photo showing uniform (a Canadian connection not likely in India, as mentioned previously).  The sports photos are less easy to identify the unit, especially for "All Indian" which usually refers to a team formed from all arms (cav, arty, inf, etc.).

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2 hours ago, CharlotteMM said:

 

Ah brilliant! That makes so much more sense than my original thoughts of toffee or coffee!!! Ha

 

Yes, you were right with the other word, he left his Topee and Haversack on the railway platform.  The haversack was historically one of the oldest pieces of a soldier's kit and was originally called 'bread bag'.  It was generally made of light canvas, slung at the hip on a strap across the chest, and contained his daily ration when in the field/on the move.

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May I please see the photos of men on horses and with guns??? My grandfather was a mounted MP (Military Police), but I don’t know where he served... In search of Grandpa George...

Oops!!! I meant MP (Military Police)

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Charlotte,

  There is a family tree on Ancestry {perhaps yours?} https://www.ancestry.co.uk/mediaui-viewer/tree/109957894/person/340077961239/media/cec770ed-e57e-4637-8410-69d75c720a33?_phsrc=bmY38990&_phstart=successSource  which has a very nice photograph of Edward Charles Twitt in a smart uniform with a rather smart version of a topee! He is, I believe, wearing the dress uniform of the Royal Artillery in India.

  In #3 I posted a link to a medal index card for Charles Edward Twitt, who was a Driver in the Royal Artillery.

  I have checked FREEBMD, which has a 100% record of all births in Somerset for the period we are interested in. There are 2 Edward Charles Twitts, who we know about, https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl   but there is no birth record of a Charles Twitt, with or without a middle name.

  This leads me to the conclusion that your Edward Charles Twitt has been recorded on the medal record card, and the medal rolls for the British War Medal and the British Victory Medal. There are 2 numbers on the medal card. The first appears to be a Territorial Artillery number, and the second is from 1917 when Territorials were re-numbered. A number of Territorial Royal Artillery Batteries served in India.

  If any forum member has a copy of 'Territorials in India" {my copy is out on loan} please check if there are any Somerset Batteries mentioned.

 

Regards,

 

Alf McM

 

EDIT - Edward/Charle's 6 digit number indicates 2/3 Wessex, later 227 Brigade R.F.A.{T.}. https://www.longlongtrail.co.uk/army/regiments-and-corps/the-royal-artillery-in-the-first-world-war/batteries-and-brigades-of-the-royal-field-artillery/ccxxv-ccxxvii-and-ccxxviii-brigades-of-the-royal-field-artillery-45th-divisional-artillery/  There was a Battery based in Dorsetshire, and the Brigade went to India in December 1914.

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Thank you all for your replies, I have come back around to this album with a better camera and some editing software and have got some of the above photos improved and lots of new ones.

As previously mentioned, Edward Charles Twitt, my Great Grandfather is the original owner of these photos. After he left the army he went into the police and was in the mounted regiment - he grew up on a Laundry in Worle, Somerset who had horses. 

Photo 1:

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He is very young here, and on the right. I have a recollection of someone telling me he lied about his age upon sign up. Other two people unknown. 

Photo 2:
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Edward Charles (Charlie) front right, slightly older. 
 

Other people in these photos feature again, front left is Friend 1 (F1), back left F2 (see photo 7, his name may be Walt) and back right F3.

Photo 3:

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Charlie older now, tallest in the middle back row. To his left is F1. 
 

Third from back right is F4, of whom I think this is a photo of…

Photo 4:

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F1 is seen in both photo 5 and 6. Another man also features in both of these photos, he has the impressively sticky out ears! 

Photo 5:

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Photo 6:

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Photo 7:

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On the back of this photo is written ‘yours sincerely, Walt.’ I believe him to be F2 from photo 2. 
 

Photo 8:

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Photo 9:

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Photo 10:

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Photo 11:

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Photo 12:

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Photo 13:

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Photo 14:

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Photo 15:

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Photo 16:

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As I said before, there are also lots of souvenir postcards and then this final photo of a military hospital, on the back it is marked by a photographer from Lewisham:

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If anyone has any ideas on how I can more closely identify regiment/s and see if I can find any other photos or names of people I would be very grateful!

Charlotte

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On 20/01/2023 at 00:09, PRC said:

That Territorial Force shoulder title has got to be the single biggest clue - but what it says defeats me. Hopefully @FROGSMILE will have some ideas.

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Cheers,
Peter

 

Several of the photos scream Yeomanry (auxiliary [citizen] cavalry).  Multi tier shoulder title.  ‘Pantaloon’ (tightly fitted) trousers throughout, spurs throughout (all ranks), Bandoliers, mounted duty boots (Wellingtons), riding whips, and a cavalry NCOs arm badge above rank stripes.

The particular multi-tier shoulder title you’ve pointed out is most peculiar though, it appears to be T-9-B????  and there aren’t many regiments with a 9th TF battalion.  I’d appreciate other views/opinions on those top two tiers:

1. Is it a 9th?

2. Does the lowermost tier start with a B, or an H?

I think it is T 9 HANTS for the 9th (Cyclist) Battalion of the Hampshire Regiment.  Prior to 1908 a Rifle Volunteer unit, it looks to me as if they were still wearing black shoulder titles in India during WW1.

1/9th (Cyclist) Battalion
August 1914 : in Southampton.
November 1915 : joined with three other Cyclist Bns and converted to infantry. This ‘Brigade’ was originally intended for East Africa.
4 February 1916 : sailed from Devonport to India.
In October 1918, moved to Vladivostock (arriving 28 November) and on into Siberia, where it stayed until November 1919 thence returning to England. It was at Omsk (at 7 January 1919) and Ekaterinberg (from May 1919). The Battalion sailed from Vladivostock on 1 November 1919 and returned home via Canada.
5 December 1919: arrived at Southampton and then disbanded.  See also: https://www.greatwarforum.org/topic/6048-19th-hampshire-cyclists/page/2/

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I think Frogsmile has it. Looking closely I can see "T-9-BANTS", which can surely only be HANTS with a bit of distortion. Oddly, it really does look like a B though! I came to the picture before reading the thread, so for what it's worth I wasn't biased by previous mention of the battalion and regiment.

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Thanks all! The forum you linked too is very helpful, I’ll pop a link up to this thread to see if anyone can match a relative. I will also complile a list of places the postcards refer to. 

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10 minutes ago, CharlotteMM said:

Thanks all! The forum you linked too is very helpful, I’ll pop a link up to this thread to see if anyone can match a relative. I will also complile a list of places the postcards refer to. 

Those I mentioned as potentially Yeomanry could equally be TF field artillery, but there are two images intermingled with odd insignia, one an unusual looking shoulder title (but maybe distorted) and the other what appears a cavalry arm badge (above a single stripe, but possibly something else, it’s just rather large and elaborate).

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Frogsmile had you seen the postcard further up the thread that says 9th Hants Rgt on it? I hadn’t wanted to assume it was a postcard from the same regiment as my grandfathers  name isn’t Bert or Jack, but it seems likely.

My family have a very large chest that I believe he took to India and kept his belongings in. I always found this unbelievable as it is huge but I suppose it makes sense. I’ll have a dig around and see if I can find anything else, I have stacks of family bits and bobs. 

The list of postcards in the photo album is as follows for anyone interested:

Kailana and Bazar from Chakrata

Church of England, Chakrata

Kaliana Neck with troops, Chakrata

The waterfall, Chakrata

Chakrata. Kalai bridge on way

The depot abalone (Dalhousi)

Camp (Dalhousi)

K.C Church and Depot (Dalhousi)

The Barack No. 5 (Dalhousi)

Sadar Bazar (Dalhousi)

Central Model School, Lahore

Shahl Mosque, Lahore

The Mall, Mussoorie 

Mussoorie from Vincent

The Snow, Mussoorie

The Charleville Hotel, Mussoorie

Town Hall, Simla (this postcard is uploaded above)

A postcard of snow covered mountains with some houses, unnamed 

Port Said - 12 different postcards showing the port, mosque lighthouse etc 

 

Most of these can be Googled I think but happy to upload any if needed. 

 

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29 minutes ago, CharlotteMM said:

Frogsmile had you seen the postcard further up the thread that says 9th Hants Rgt on it? I hadn’t wanted to assume it was a postcard from the same regiment as my grandfathers  name isn’t Bert or Jack, but it seems likely.

My family have a very large chest that I believe he took to India and kept his belongings in. I always found this unbelievable as it is huge but I suppose it makes sense. I’ll have a dig around and see if I can find anything else, I have stacks of family bits and bobs. 

The list of postcards in the photo album is as follows for anyone interested:

Kailana and Bazar from Chakrata

Church of England, Chakrata

Kaliana Neck with troops, Chakrata

The waterfall, Chakrata

Chakrata. Kalai bridge on way

The depot abalone (Dalhousi)

Camp (Dalhousi)

K.C Church and Depot (Dalhousi)

The Barack No. 5 (Dalhousi)

Sadar Bazar (Dalhousi)

Central Model School, Lahore

Shahl Mosque, Lahore

The Mall, Mussoorie 

Mussoorie from Vincent

The Snow, Mussoorie

The Charleville Hotel, Mussoorie

Town Hall, Simla (this postcard is uploaded above)

A postcard of snow covered mountains with some houses, unnamed 

Port Said - 12 different postcards showing the port, mosque lighthouse etc 

 

Most of these can be Googled I think but happy to upload any if needed. 

 

Yes I think it relates to the 9th (Cyclists) Battalion Hampshire Regiment, which spent most of war in India but ended up in Russia.

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From one of the earlier pictures, anyone know what the badge is at the top of this mans' arm? Would it be likely to be worn by someone serving with a Cyclist Battalion?

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Cheers,
Peter

BTW @FROGSMILE - anything here that Poona Guard might be interested in \ able to advise on?

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