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Aussie and Kiwi Dunnicliff


Russellwoodward

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Dear All

After researching my mothers family history it appears that several men served in WW1 whos surname is Dunnicliff

As the name is unusual my research has been good however i am now looking for Dunnicliff from Australia and New Zealand who served in WW1

Does any members have any info that they can give me

regards

Russell

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Russell,

AIF Nominal Roll

Albert Francis 3753 AIF HQ 26.8.15 RTA 13.2.17

Ernest Albert 1309 12AIF 23.11.14 DOW 6.8.15 (see below)

Robert Duff 2324 8th TMB 28.8.15 DOD 5.1.17 (see below)

Bob

Dunnicliff, Ernest Albert Francis

Number: 1309

Rank: Private [Pte]

Unit: 12th Bn Australian Inf

Service: Army

Conflict: 1914-1918

Date of Death: 06/08/1915

Place of Death:

Cause of Death: Died of wounds

Memorial Panel: 65

Cemetery or Memorial Details: GALLIPOLI 7. Lone Pine Cemetery

Next Of Kin:

Place Of Enlistment: Adelaide, SA

Native Place:

Notes: DUNNICLIFF, Pte. Ernest Albert Francis, 1309. 12th Bn. Australian Inf. Died of wounds 16th Aug., 1915. Age 34. Son of Albert and Harriett Dunniclff; husband of Mrs. M. B. Dunnicliffe, of 60, Edward St., Norwood, South Australia. II. B. 17.

Source: AWM145 Roll of Honour cards, 1914-1918 War, Army

AWM131 Roll of Honour circulars, 1914-18 War

(PDF file)

Dunnicliff, Robert Duff

Number: 2324

Rank: Private [Pte]

Unit: 8th Australian Light Trench Mortar Battery

Service: Army

Conflict: 1914-1918

Date of Death: 05/01/1917

Place of Death:

Cause of Death: Died of meningitis

Memorial Panel: 19

Cemetery or Memorial Details: FRANCE 882 Allonville Communal Cemetery

Next Of Kin:

Place Of Enlistment: Mayfield, NSW

Native Place:

Notes: DUNNICLIFFE, Pte. Robert Duff, 2324. 8th Australian Light T.M. Bty. Died of meningitis 5th Jan., 1917. Son of Thomas and Lily Dunniscliff, of 192, Maitland Rd., Mayfield, Waratah, New South Wales. A. 38.

Source: AWM145 Roll of Honour cards, 1914-1918 War, Army

AWM131 Roll of Honour circulars, 1914-18 War

(PDF file)

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Dear Bob

Many thanks for this - it looks like the Aussie side is listed clearly

At leas on made it through the war

Thanks again

Russell

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only one in NZ, and he is an Australian!

Surname DUNNICLIFF

Given Name Thomas William

Category Nominal Roll Vol. 3

Regimental Number 42063

Rank Rifleman

Next of Kin Title Mrs Lily

Next of Kin Surname DUNNICLIFF

Next of Kin Relationship Mother

Next of Kin Address Mayfield Newcastle New South Wales

Roll Roll 60

Page Page 18

Occupation Slaughterman

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Also, if you go the website: http://naa12.naa.gov.au/

and search for the name DUNNICLIFF you will find a LOT of information.

First, log in as "Guest"

On the Search page type in DUNNICLIFF in "keywords" and

1914-1918 in "Dates"

Then click on "search"

The search results give three DUNNICLIFF's

Click on "display"

To the right you will see "view digital copy" links for each person, these

are links to scans of their army records, usually between 40-50 pages

fpr each soldier ... a lot of detail ! We are lucky in Australia as we have

free access to these papers!

Also, for anyone killed on active duty, you can search the Roll of Honour Database at the Australian War Memorial, it can be found here:

http://www.awm.gov.au/database/roh.asp

Ernest Dunncliff can be found here:

http://www.awm.gov.au/cms_images/awm131/015/015961.pdf

and RObert Duncliff here:

http://www.awm.gov.au/cms_images/awm131/015/015962.pdf

Anyway, hope this helps!

Paul

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Thanks Christine

Very helpful

Is this the same Dunniclifff that is buried in the Auckland cemetary

If it is it appears he died of illness prior to being able to go to the front

Russell

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Dear Paul

Thanks for your great links - they will prove really usefull

I will be spending a fair bit of time looking these guys up.

I will be trying to link the Aussie branch to the UK Branch

If you have an other options where i can get further info please let me know

Once again thanks for your help

Russell

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Russell > Glad I could help! The digital scans of the army records are a great source of information, very detailed.

On this webpage there is a little about the grave of Ernest Duncliff at Galipolli:

http://www.anzacs.net/GRAVES/Cemeteries/Cemetery_m.htm

Also, once you know which battalion of the AIF your relative was with it is quite easy to track down more information through websites such as:

http://www.awm.gov.au/ (the Australian War Memorial)

And this one, which has details on all the different units of the AIF:

http://www.diggerhistory.info/pages-confli...1-cat-index.htm

and here, a forum on ANZAC research:

http://com2.runboard.com/banzacresearch

If I think of any more I shall post the links here!

Paul

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Name: DUNNICLIFF, THOMAS WILLIAM

Initials: T W

Nationality: New Zealand

Rank: Rifleman

Regiment: New Zealand Rifle Brigade

Age: 35

Date of Death: 19/11/1918

Service No: 42063

Additional information: Son of Mr. and Mrs. T. Dunnicliff, of Chin Chin St., Lambton Heights, New South Wales, Australia. Born in London, England.

Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead

Grave/Memorial Reference: Prot. Soldiers Area B, Row 1, Grave 38.

Cemetery: AUCKLAND (WAIKUMETE) CEMETERY

Probate records;

Thomas William Dunnicliff

place; Tokomaru Bay

occupation; slaughterman

court; Wellington

probate no; 25412

date filed; 15 Feb 1919

held at Archives NZ- Wgton

BUT the NZ Strays Collection has a THomas William Dunnicliff who died in London and was buried in London! No date given

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Many thanks Christine

Web site is great - looks like he wasnt an Aussie but was born in London so might be a relative

I think he died of Disease in Auckland - i was there in December but didnt know about the cemetery otherwise i would have taken it in on a visit

I was also in Fiji in early Jan - saw your web site - it was most interesting

Many thanks again

Russell

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There's an entry for the birth of Thomas William Dunnicliff in September quarter of 1883 in Islington, Volume 1b, Page 357.

Can't yet locate him on the 1891 census so perhaps they'd already left for NZ by then.

Steve

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NZ Roll of Honour;

Thomas William Dunnicliff 42063 NZ Rifle Brigade died 19/11/19 in NZ

He died "after discharge from the NZEF from wounds inflicted or disease contracted while on active service"

He is listed in the Nominal Rolls on Roll 60, page 18 in the 2nd draft of the 24th reinforcement of the NZ Rifle Brigade in H company.

This reinforcement embarked on the " Pakeha" on 14 April 1917, disembarked again on the 18 April 1917 and finally left NZ on the 26 April 1917 for the Front.

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Dear Christine

Thanks for the update - much more than i hoped to get

I will now start to do some further digging to find out when and where he emigrated from and when he arrived in Australia

Can you think why he enlisted in NZ and not in Australia where his family were based - it seems odd

You also mention a STRAYS COLLECTION with a Thomas William Dunnicliff dying in London - what does this mean?

Many thanks for your help

Russell

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Dear Stephen

Many thanks for your input

Is there any chance that you can scan the page of the census and post it to me?

It looks like he left with his family for Australia

Son of Mr. and Mrs. T. Dunnicliff, of Chin Chin St., Lambton Heights, New South Wales, Australia. Born in London, England

Does Mr T Dunnicliff appear on the 1883 census in Islington - most likely another Thomas

Regards

Russell

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Hi Russell

Thomas & Lily DUNNICLIFF, together with their son Thomas William (and probably other children) would have come to Australia sometime between 1883 & 1893. As Thomas William was born in London c1883 & his younger brother Robert Duff was born in Wentworth, NSW, Aust c1893.

As to why Thomas left Australia & went to NZ - the most likely reason is probably for work reasons - and as he was there when war broke out - that's where he would have enlisted - a lot of Aussies did the same.

Have you discovered yet that the 2 other Australian DUNNICLIFFS - from Sth Aust - were father & son. The son, Albert Francis is the one that came home. Both were actually born in Aust, so you'll probably have to go back a bit further to find a link to England - but it's such an unusual name - I think you'll eventually find they're all related.

Pity they hadn't all come to Victoria - I would have found it very easy to trace them for you if they had!

Anyway, good luck with your sleuthing.

Cheers, Frev.

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Dear Stephen

Thanks for your PM

i AM INTERESTED IN THE TWO COUSINS KILLED IN ACTION

The Dunnicliffs are based around the following areas

Derby, Derbyshire

Melbourne , Derbyshire

Nottinghamshire

On the CWGC listing there are two soldiers who died with the same parents

Harold Dunnicliff(e) Corporal 200324 1st/5th Sherwood Foresters ( Notts & Derby Regt) died 11th Dec 1917 age 22

William Henry Dunnicliff(e) Private 56018 10th Battalion Royal Welsh Fusiliers died 27th September 1917 age 23

Sons of George and Annie Edna Dunnicliffe, of the Scotlands, Staunton Harold, Melbourne, Derby

Regards

Russell

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Hi Frev

Thank you for your help

The notes on the Aussie in New Zealand were interesting

The two Aussies that you mention from South Australia

Albert Francis as the father

There are only 2 listed as being killed in my records

Robert Duff - as mentioned

Ernest Albert Francis - born Adelaide South Aust widow Mrs M B Dunnicliff

Looks like a link

If you have any info on him from South Australia please let me know

Thanks again

Russell

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Russell, Sorry to have been a while, but I was waiting for them to answer me.

The NZSG Strays Collection is a list of names of persons, mainly from NZ, found in places away from where they were born ie strays. It should include all immigrants to NZ.

I asked the person running the list, which is a huge file for which an index is published, then you request the details, about the entry for Thomas Wiliam Dunnicliff, and the entry turns out to be the Waikumete cemetery entry, so it is not another TW Dunnicliff, after all.

Christine

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Russell,

It's lucky Christine brought this up again today - because I totally missed your last post - sorry.

Re the 2 Aussies from S.A. - Albert Francis was not the father - he was the son that came home.

Ernest Albert Francis DUNNICLIFF, (1309) who was born in Normanville, Sth Aust in c1881 - was married to Mabel Blanche DUNNICLIFF (maiden name unknown at this stage)

And they were the parents of Albert Francis James DUNNICLIFF, (3753) who was born in Adelaide on the 24th September 1901!!!!!!

Ernest enlisted 23/11/1914 & died of wounds (received at Lone Pine) 6/8/1915.

On hearing of his father's death - his son Albert - with the consent of his mother (Mabel) enlisted 26/8/1915 - giving his age as 18 - but he was really only 13 years & 11 months old!!!!!!!

By December 1916, Albert had had enough of playing War - and requested that he be discharged owing to the fact that he was only 15. Having a copy of his birth certificate with him to prove it - he was discharged early 1917 as underage.

[The strangest thing in all this - is that in his letter of request - he states that his father & his brother were both members of the 12th Bn & were both killed on 6/8/15. - This brother seems to be totally non-existent - perhaps a little icing on the cake to make the authorities feel sorry for him]

Anyway, incase your interested - he had at least 3 younger brothers: Charles William George (who collected their dad's Memorial Plaque in 1923); Alfred Allen (of Wesbourne Park, S.A. who applied for their father's Gallipoli Medallion in July 1967); and Robert William.

Their mother Mabel, remarried to become Mrs Mackay (sometime before Aug 1921).

All this information is gleaned from their War Service Records (on-line)

I can try for more detail from the Births, Deaths & Marriage registers (if you're interested) next time I'm at the library. But as I said earlier - what we have for the other States - here in Victoria - is a little limited.

I can also see what else I can find on the other DUNNICLIFF family from NSW (if you'd like) - ie. the 2 brothers:

Robert Duff DUNNICLIFF, 2324 - enlisted Australia

&

Thomas William DUNNICLIFF, 42063 - enlisted New Zealand

Hope you can follow all this.

Cheers, Frev.

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Dear Frev

What a fantastic story

A 13 yr old enlisting is quite amazing - inever expected such a fascinating story

Many thanks for your efforts

I you do have the time any urther information would be of great interest - im now researching when the family emigrated to Australia to determine which branch of the family they are on

As you can imagine the name Dun(n)icliff(e) is quite unusual - my link is that it is ny mothers maiden name in the UK

We have been able to trace the history back beyond the 1600s however the loose ends concerning migration are still to be resolved

The family also has links in the USA and Canada- one served again during the 1914-18 war

Any further info that you can find would be most helpful

Is it possible to obtain a copy of Alberts enlistment papers and also his letter requesting his discharge or can you give me the web site in Victoria where i can view this information

Once again my thanks for your time in obtaining this info

Regards

Russell Woodward

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Also, if you go the website: http://naa12.naa.gov.au/

and search for the name DUNNICLIFF you will find a LOT of information.

First, log in as "Guest"

On the Search page type in DUNNICLIFF in "keywords" and

1914-1918 in "Dates"

Then click on "search"

The search results give three DUNNICLIFF's

Click on "display"

To the right you will see "view digital copy" links for each person, these

are links to scans of their army records, usually between 40-50 pages

fpr each soldier ... a lot of detail ! We are lucky in Australia as we have

free access to these papers!

Russell,

If you follow Paul's directions above, you can view the Service Records of all 3 DUNNICLIFF'S that enlisted in Australia. You can then print out which ever pages you wish - the letter from Albert requesting discharge may not print out too well though - it's pretty faint - good luck!

I'll probably be at the library some time next week - I'll let you know what I find.

Cheers, Frev.

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Russell,

It appears that Alfred, Charles and Robert went on to serve in WW2. Alfred with the Volunteer Defence Corps and Charles and Robert with the RAAF.

http://www.ww2roll.gov.au/script/veteran.a...eteranID=730334

http://www.ww2roll.gov.au/script/veteran.a...eteranID=877134

http://www.ww2roll.gov.au/script/veteran.a...eteranID=895964

There is also an Arnold from Adelaide who served in the RAAF.

http://www.ww2roll.gov.au/script/veteran.a...eteranID=896706

Rgds

Tim

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Dear Frev

Thanks for the reminding me about the links from Paul

Its fantastic to see so much info on a web site - its a shame that the UK have either lost records or they were damaged in the Blitz

The story of Albert is facinating - how can a 13 year old pass for an Adult- he must have looked much older

He was attached to the Base Depot - B Coy 2nd Depot

Then was attached to A Coy 3rd Battalion, 10th Infantry

Then was attached to the 50th Infantry

Then was attached to the 13th T A Brigade

Diembarked in Marseille

Then was in the 5th Pioneer battalion

Transferred to AIF headquarters

Quite a few changes - its interesting to see that when he disembarked in Marseille he lasts 6 months before being posted to HQ before eing sent back home.

I look forward to your review in the Library with interest

Thanks for all your help

Russell

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Dear Tim

Thanks for your links

Obviously his family was large

Interesting that all that served were not at any front but were in support roles

Many thanks

Russell

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