Tom14444 Posted 3 April , 2020 Share Posted 3 April , 2020 Hi all, First post here, so if it is in the wrong place/format, let me know. When my grandparents died, I came into possession of a number of photographs, medals, badges and other items, related to family members. We had never seen these before, and unfortunately they didn't have much in the way of notes or information with them. My great grandfather, Ernest James Wilkes, was in the 2nd Battalion Royal Scots, from at least 1904, prior to this he fought in South Africa with the 3rd West Kents, a militia regiment. An old contemptible, he fought throughout the Great War until demobilization, returning to Scotland with the Labour Corps. His wife, my great-grandmother Eliza Kizia Wilkes (nee Mclean) is featured in a number of other photographs I have in my possession. I have attached some of these images below. The pictures show Eliza with other women - several who are holding canes. Eliza is second from right in image 1, standing left in 2, centre in 3. I'm not sure what the uniforms are in the first image (excuse my ignorance), perhaps field nursing uniforms, in the second they appear to be wearing more typical VAD nurse uniforms. In the first image, I noticed that the women are wearing badges 'U.S.R' (see close-ups). Eliza's badge is U.S.R only, while another (close-up 2) appears to also have another pin, which looks to me like it could be the medical snake 'staff of hermes'. Can anyone clarify what U.S.R could mean? The only similar badges I can find relate to the U.S navy, or U.S naval nurses, which seems unlikely to me for the wife of a Royal Scot in Edinburgh, but is this a possibility? One other thing, among the items I found was a ticket to Buckingham Palace, for the wedding of Princess Mary and Viscount Lascelles. I found some indication that a contingent of WW1 nurses were invited to the event, as Princess Mary was involved with the VAD during the war. Thanks, Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
busterfield Posted 3 April , 2020 Share Posted 3 April , 2020 I would think U.S.R. is for United States Reserve. The uniforms look suspiciously ill fitting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TEW Posted 3 April , 2020 Share Posted 3 April , 2020 This website suggests they are as busterfield says. US Reserve but US Navy as you suggested. However they don't seem to be nurses uniforms. Perhaps the ill fitting nature means they have borrowed male uniforms for the photo. Second photo, not VAD uniforms, see these. They are not particularly 'uniform', they look to me more like house/parlour maid attire perhaps with 'cook' in the centre'. Perhaps she was employed at an US Navy depot, hospital somewhere in UK? Strathpeffer? TEW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royalredcross Posted 3 April , 2020 Share Posted 3 April , 2020 At a guess, photo 1 shows ladies dressed in uniforms of brothers/boyfriends etc. The second shows domestic staff, probably the cook in the centre and a couple of parlour maids. Certainly not VADs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TEW Posted 3 April , 2020 Share Posted 3 April , 2020 Ah, another US Navy hospital in Leith. TEW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alf mcm Posted 3 April , 2020 Share Posted 3 April , 2020 Eliza was living in Midlothian in 1911, so Leith would be a better bet. Regards, Alf McM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TEW Posted 3 April , 2020 Share Posted 3 April , 2020 There are some good photos of US Navy nurses in uniform out there, no similarity at all to the parlour maid look. TEW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Strawbridge Posted 3 April , 2020 Share Posted 3 April , 2020 As was the custom of the time, photographers had props of clothes that people could dress into for fun for a photograph. It would seem that your photographs are just that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TEW Posted 3 April , 2020 Share Posted 3 April , 2020 Could well be. I see the male US Navy medics in photos at strathpeffer have a very different uniform. TEW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom14444 Posted 3 April , 2020 Author Share Posted 3 April , 2020 Thanks for the help everyone, It may be as Jim Strawbridge says, that these were just fun photographs and nothing more. My grandfather didn't speak to us about his parents at all, however he did write down a short sketch of his life - which we found and formed the basis of his eulogy some time later. He wrote simply that his 'father Ernest was a soldier, his mother, a nurse'. This is where the idea that Eliza was a nurse came from initially, before these photos were in hand. I've yet to find any concrete record of this however, so perhaps she did work the home front in some capacity other than as a nurse. Maybe nurse was an overstatement, perhaps she was an untrained assistant, and it was just easier to tell my grandfather she was a 'nurse'. Hopefully further research into my great-grandfather's service may turn up a clue or two about Eliza, Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteStarLine Posted 3 April , 2020 Share Posted 3 April , 2020 Nothing to add here but I love the photos and the women look as if they are hugely enjoying themselves. Good on them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TEW Posted 3 April , 2020 Share Posted 3 April , 2020 I have no idea how the two Scottish US Navy hospitals sourced nurses for service there. Were most nurses from stateside? Or might there be trained UK nurses alongside or forming the bulk? This website has images for the relevant uniforms. It may be she was uniformed correctly during the war rather than the 'fun' photo you have. Alternatively, she may have been a VAD with the RANK of nurse. Not all VAD records survive but it would be interesting if there any VAD cards for either hospital. 5 pages of results for Leith, although for most this seems to be a home address. Perhaps photo#2 is post war? TEW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom14444 Posted 4 April , 2020 Author Share Posted 4 April , 2020 I actually have a home address: In 1910 Eliza (Mclean) was at 5 Leith Street Terrace, Edinburgh (from marriage certificate), Which set of records were you looking at TEW? Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom14444 Posted 4 April , 2020 Author Share Posted 4 April , 2020 This is the only other image I have similar to the ones posted above, which really doesn't add much additional context. Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TEW Posted 4 April , 2020 Share Posted 4 April , 2020 Nice photos, not sure of the significance of the roses? tucked in. If you mean the VAD records they are here. If you search the location/hospital box you will still get results for VADs who came from EG Leith but served elsewhere. I've not seen any cards to VADs specified as being at the US Naval Hospital, Leith. However, I've just found that Leith War Hospital (the poor house) had been a normal hospital for most of the war and only took in a percentage of US troops for a few months leading up to Nov 1918. There are some cards to VADs serving at Leith War Hospital. For example; Helen Fraser Paterson served there as a VAD from April 18 to Aug 18 so may well have tended US troops. I'm still perplexed by the uniforms worn in photo#1. Clearly not their's but also not US Navy USR uniforms or of naval patients. Perhaps the US Navy hospitals in Leith and Strathpeffer are a red-herring. So, possibly although from Edinburgh she served elsewhere. TEW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullerTurner Posted 23 June , 2020 Share Posted 23 June , 2020 On 04/04/2020 at 11:02, TEW said: Nice photos, not sure of the significance of the roses? tucked in. Minden?? 😉 Alexandra Rose Society (f.1912) might be a slim possibility but I believe it focussed on the London poor? As for St George’s Day - in Leith? Archibald, certainly not! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOVE23 Posted 25 June , 2020 Share Posted 25 June , 2020 Those uniforms are definitely American. I would support the boyfriend/brother theory or maybe they are borrowing some patients or doctors uniforms for a fun photo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosun Bob Posted 5 July , 2020 Share Posted 5 July , 2020 My initial thought when viewing the first image was that these ladies were wearing United States Army uniforms. Some appear ill fitting enough to suggest that the uniforms they wear may have been originaly issued to somebody else, suggesting that these ladies were having a bit of fun. Bless their hearts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 12 July , 2020 Share Posted 12 July , 2020 (edited) A very intriguing set of photos. I would add that the US Army uniforms (albeit possibly ‘Reserve’) and legwear are all of commissioned Officer quality (cuff rings, etc.) and absolutely pristine, implying little wear and certainly not wear in the field. The insignia on visor (forage) caps and collars are clearly the bronze eagle and ‘caduceus’ of the period. The backdrop to all three photos is the same suggesting the same location. As pointed out previously the women’s apparent workwear is that of scullery maids (mob caps), kitchen staff (plain aprons) and perhaps a cook (all white). It seems to me that they are probably house staff from a grand house, or hotel that has been utilised as an Officers’ Mess for US Army officers accommodated at Edinburgh/Leith, and probably US Army staff involved in the medical effort supporting wounded and transiting troops in Scotland. Apparently the US medical staff were all recruited from the California Hospital in Los Angeles, so they might not have worn Navy uniform, but perhaps that of a generic medical reserve. Records indicate that the patients were not all Navy personnel or Americans. About 75% of patients were from the British Army. The American Navy patients were mostly influenza cases. The British Army patients were battle casualties. They arrived by train from the Channel ports having been taken off the battlefields about three days before and having only received First Aid at Field Dressing Stations. The hospital closed soon after the Armistice. Apparently the hospital did not just comprise the main building, but was supplemented by “private residences loaned and equipped by the Scottish Red Cross”. There is some circumstantial evidence of the use of hotels, as the other US Navy hospital, at Strathpeffer, also used a hotel as a secondary location (perhaps as accommodation for staff) called the Spa Hotel, which was subsequently destroyed in a fire during WW2. There were several other Strathpeffer hotels taken up in this way by the US Authorities, presumably Leith might have been similar, which would chime with the quote above regarding the Scottish Red Cross. Edited 13 July , 2020 by FROGSMILE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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