B_Brown1987 Posted 31 March , 2020 Share Posted 31 March , 2020 https://photos.app.goo.gl/5NrehuzBRU39qT9VA Hopefully the URL works. I found this photo in my Great Nana's photo album. I've assumed it's from the Great War. There is no information in the album as to who anyone is. Any idea how I would go about beginning to trace this unit or any individuals? Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMB1943 Posted 31 March , 2020 Share Posted 31 March , 2020 Well, the experts usually start by using the cap badges to identify the regiments represented. You might start down that route. Regards, JMB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWF1967 Posted 31 March , 2020 Share Posted 31 March , 2020 12 minutes ago, B_Brown1987 said: https://photos.app.goo.gl/5NrehuzBRU39qT9VA Hopefully the URL works. I found this photo in my Great Nana's photo album. I've assumed it's from the Great War. There is no information in the album as to who anyone is. Any idea how I would go about beginning to trace this unit or any individuals? Thank you. Hi, the photo possibly shows men on a training course. Any chance you could scan the photo (600dpi) as there is plenty of detail on show; cap badges, good conduct badges, rank stripes, trade badges, black "rifles" buttons etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B_Brown1987 Posted 31 March , 2020 Author Share Posted 31 March , 2020 9 minutes ago, GWF1967 said: Hi, the photo possibly shows men on a training course. Any chance you could scan the photo (600dpi) as there is plenty of detail on show; cap badges, good conduct badges, rank stripes, trade badges, black "rifles" buttons etc. I thought it possibly looked like a training course. I haven't got a scanner, I'm relying on my phone. I can see if I can do a better scan of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alisonmallen62 Posted 31 March , 2020 Share Posted 31 March , 2020 Looks like a variety of cap badges and I wonder what the white coats were for. Frogsmile might know and be along soon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B_Brown1987 Posted 31 March , 2020 Author Share Posted 31 March , 2020 This album is very mixed, I traced a soldier who I found in the album (along with photos of his parents) he and his brother both died in the War. But not related, I think they were a family she served for. But I'm really know nothing about this photo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Michelle Young Posted 31 March , 2020 Admin Share Posted 31 March , 2020 Looks like some of them have general service buttons on their caps. As to the other cap badges, possibly Cheshire or East Yorkshire Regiment? Michelle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 31 March , 2020 Share Posted 31 March , 2020 (edited) I’m fairly sure it’s a Training Reserve (TR) unit of very young soldiers during the transitional period when the former regimental reserve units were converting to the new TR arrangements. Those inducted into the TR under the new arrangements have the GS button (usually backed by a circle of red felt) as their cap badge, and those who’ve arrived from the old arrangements are still wearing the regimental cap badges with which they had been issued. The white coats were issued to men working in the kitchens and bakeries. The white woollen sweater with a collar is a common type issued for physical training in Winter, rather like a track suit top was used in more modern times. They are all notably young (even the sergeant) and I would wager that they are either, a ‘Young Soldier’, or ‘Graduated’ Battalion. There are no wound stripes, and just a few marksmen and a single Lewis Gunner. The sergeant and the few older men gathered at top centre with regimental cap badges look like they might be Border Regiment, but I’m looking on only a phone screen, and there appear to be some other cap badges too. Edited 31 March , 2020 by FROGSMILE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMB1943 Posted 31 March , 2020 Share Posted 31 March , 2020 There is also a name/address at bottom left hand corner of photo. 36 Norwood Shipley ?? Regards, JMB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B_Brown1987 Posted 31 March , 2020 Author Share Posted 31 March , 2020 1 minute ago, JMB1943 said: There is also a name/address at bottom left hand corner of photo. 36 Norwood Shipley ?? Regards, JMB I'm afraid at the moment it's not yielded much. 5 minutes ago, FROGSMILE said: I’m fairly sure it’s a Training Reserve (TR) unit of very young soldiers during the transitional period when the former regimental reserve units were converting to the new TR arrangements. Those inducted into the TR under the new arrangements have the GS button (usually backed by a circle of red felt) as their cap badge, and those who’ve arrived from the old arrangements are still wearing the regimental cap badges with which they had been issued. I'll have a closer squint. I did wonder about TR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alisonmallen62 Posted 31 March , 2020 Share Posted 31 March , 2020 Always impressive frogsmile and so interesting to read your detail Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alisonmallen62 Posted 31 March , 2020 Share Posted 31 March , 2020 (edited) 17 minutes ago, JMB1943 said: There is also a name/address at bottom left hand corner of photo. 36 Norwood Shipley ?? Regards, JMB There is aNorwood Rd in Shipley also just before that I think it says a or at lebrinton TC changing light on the wording shows it a bit more Edited 31 March , 2020 by Alisonmallen62 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark1959 Posted 31 March , 2020 Share Posted 31 March , 2020 The 1911 census has a boarder called Alfred Worsnop living as boarder at 36 Norwood Ave. Profession is photographer. So he appears to be the man who took the photograph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alisonmallen62 Posted 31 March , 2020 Share Posted 31 March , 2020 (edited) 22 minutes ago, JMB1943 said: There is also a name/address at bottom left hand corner of photo. 36 Norwood Shipley ?? Regards, JMB mark, Yes it does now look more like A Worsnop in a certain light before the address and I think I can see TC Edited 31 March , 2020 by Alisonmallen62 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark1959 Posted 31 March , 2020 Share Posted 31 March , 2020 36 Norwood Ave is occupied by the Wieson family in 1911 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B_Brown1987 Posted 31 March , 2020 Author Share Posted 31 March , 2020 37 minutes ago, Mark1959 said: The 1911 census has a boarder called Alfred Worsnop living as boarder at 36 Norwood Ave. Profession is photographer. So he appears to be the man who took the photograph. I did wonder if it was the photographer's address. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 31 March , 2020 Share Posted 31 March , 2020 (edited) The question is where is the nearest TR camp to Shipley, as that might help to narrow down the unit? : https://www.longlongtrail.co.uk/army/regiments-and-corps/training-reserve/ Edited 31 March , 2020 by FROGSMILE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B_Brown1987 Posted 31 March , 2020 Author Share Posted 31 March , 2020 3 minutes ago, FROGSMILE said: The question is where is the nearest TR camp to Shipley, as that might help to narrow down the unit? : https://www.longlongtrail.co.uk/army/regiments-and-corps/training-reserve/ That's really good thinking. I have no idea if any of the men in this photograph are family or not. I have no living relatives to ask now and no information in the photo album. It could be this is yet another picture of MICHAEL REGINALD KIRKMAN HODGSON who in the album there are several pictures of, also have photos of his Mother & Father or perhaps his brother. I can't pick him out however. I'm trying to dig up what information on my own family members I have that served. Like most families there were several, all from Norfolk on this side of the family. But I know that doesn't mean much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 31 March , 2020 Share Posted 31 March , 2020 (edited) 13 minutes ago, B_Brown1987 said: That's really good thinking. I have no idea if any of the men in this photograph are family or not. I have no living relatives to ask now and no information in the photo album. It could be this is yet another picture of MICHAEL REGINALD KIRKMAN HODGSON who in the album there are several pictures of, also have photos of his Mother & Father or perhaps his brother. I can't pick him out however. I'm trying to dig up what information on my own family members I have that served. Like most families there were several, all from Norfolk on this side of the family. But I know that doesn't mean much. The camps are all listed in the link I posted. Presumably you can use logical geography to see which one Shipley is closest to. It’s unlikely that the photographer would travel a great distance from his studio. You can also note the likely cap badges via the same process. Edited 31 March , 2020 by FROGSMILE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mancpal Posted 31 March , 2020 Share Posted 31 March , 2020 There has been a case on here recently where a soldier ( from Liverpool area I think) was photographed by a local identifiable photographer. As it transpired the picture was taken somewhere at the other end of the country, the photographer simply was to follow a group of new recruits and document their training presumably for the local rag. I do however think Frogsmiles reasoning would be far the more frequent. Simon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 31 March , 2020 Share Posted 31 March , 2020 (edited) 31 minutes ago, mancpal said: There has been a case on here recently where a soldier ( from Liverpool area I think) was photographed by a local identifiable photographer. As it transpired the picture was taken somewhere at the other end of the country, the photographer simply was to follow a group of new recruits and document their training presumably for the local rag. I do however think Frogsmiles reasoning would be far the more frequent. Simon Yes, there are always exceptions Simon, I agree, but as you surmised I’m referring to the most common circumstances at that time. Beyond the railways there was not the same ease of travel that we have now. I think that’s sometimes overlooked, or underestimated when we look at things through contemporary eyes. Edited 31 March , 2020 by FROGSMILE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B_Brown1987 Posted 31 March , 2020 Author Share Posted 31 March , 2020 31 minutes ago, FROGSMILE said: The camps are all listed in the link I posted. Presumably you can use logical geography to see which one Shipley is closest to. It’s unlikely that the photographer would travel a great distance from his studio. You can also note the likely cap badges via the same process. I'll have a proper look tomorrow (when I can hopefully get on the PC as the link wasn't easy to see on my mobile) Thank you though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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