John Taylor A/1683 is this an alias

[wulsten]

This topic has changed somewhat in the possibility of John Taylor A/1683 KRRC, being an alias for allen Henning beer or Albert Edward beer

 

Most likely allen Henning 

Edited 2 April , 2020 by wulsten
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[ss002d6252]

3 minutes ago, wulsten said:

Trying to locate if it survives the pension record card for John Taylor A/1683 KRRC, i am searching various options numbers keywords and names etc but cannot locate, does it survive etc, any help appreciated

 

i believe he may ave served under and alias

Did he die ?

Craig

[RaySearching]

5 minutes ago, ss002d6252 said:

Did he die ?

 

KIA 28/4/1916

He has an effects record

 

Ray

[wulsten]

5 minutes ago, RaySearching said:

 

KIA 28/4/1916

He has an effects record

 

Ray

Ray, yes sadly kia, effects register gives nok uno beer, was hoping pension card may anything useful

There is another thread on forum about him

[RaySearching]

If John had no dependants 

a pension record card would not have been generated

 

Ray

[wulsten]

3 minutes ago, RaySearching said:

If John had no dependants 

a pension record card would not have been generated

 

Ray

possibly correct as believe he was single, if connected to the Beer family, gratuity was sent to California, however returned

[keithmroberts]

I managed to find a chap on the pension records yesterday after a horribly unsuccessful couple of hours with name and intial varians, and wilcards etc. Eventuall, following a hint from David tattersfield I wnt the other way and found him via a keyword. The likely numbers being more modest, (pensions relating to the HMS Bulwark explosion the list generated was less than 200, and there he was. I still don't understand why my name searches failed, but the keyword search did the trick once I took my blinkers off.

[ss002d6252]

13 hours ago, wulsten said:

possibly correct as believe he was single, if connected to the Beer family, gratuity was sent to California, however returned

Family could claim the pension but if no-one did then there'd be no pension card.

Craig

[travers61]

I can't see the other thread on John Taylor (died 28th Aug 1916), so apologies if I'm duplicating previous work.

 

As some US records are free on ancestry due to the virus, I can see an Uno BEER  (born Suffolk 1886 & a British national) & wife Francis arriving in California in Aug 1918 from Vladivostock. Uno is a teacher, but when they are on the 1920 US census at Oakland, California, he is working in admin in a can factory.

 

Uno's parents are John, a artist (painter) & Dortha, both born Sweden. They are on the 1891 & 1901 census for Kilburn, and I notice SIDGW gives John Taylor as born Kilburn. John & Dortha have sons:

 

Erie/Eric born Moscow 1883/4

Uno born Newmarket 1886/7, 

Albert Edward born 1888/9 Newmarket

Allen/Allan Henning born 1890 London (birth Registered as Henning Beer in Hampstead Reg Dist

Richard born 1883/3 London.

 

Of the two born in London maybe Allen Henning served under an alias due to his german sounding name.

 

A Swedish equestrian artist called John Axel Richard Beer (1853-1906) fits the fathers year of birth on the census, painted horses at Newmarket & died in Hendon area of London Dec 1906. He has works on line including one painted in 19thc St Petersburg in the Queens collection.

https://www.rct.uk/collection/920950/marie-feodorovna-empress-of-russia-driving-in-a-sleigh-at-st-petersburg-in-snow

 

Looks from the British Newspaper Archive that Johns wife died in 1907:

 

... at times, appeared very at range tuber manner. The eldest son, Uno Beer, said the deceased had often threatened to take her life, and would quarrel without any occasion for it. Allen Beer, another son, stated that when he entered the deceased's room on ...

Published: Friday 05 July 1907 
Newspaper: Kilburn Times 

 

As both parents had died by 1908, and not sure what happened to Erie/Eric for Uno to be named as the eldest son, Uno could have been named NOK to an unmarried younger brother in the army.

 

[wulsten]

On 31/03/2020 at 13:27, travers61 said:

I can't see the other thread on John Taylor (died 28th Aug 1916), so apologies if I'm duplicating previous work.

 

As some US records are free on ancestry due to the virus, I can see an Uno BEER  (born Suffolk 1886 & a British national) & wife Francis arriving in California in Aug 1918 from Vladivostock. Uno is a teacher, but when they are on the 1920 US census at Oakland, California, he is working in admin in a can factory.

 

Uno's parents are John, a artist (painter) & Dortha, both born Sweden. They are on the 1891 & 1901 census for Kilburn, and I notice SIDGW gives John Taylor as born Kilburn. John & Dortha have sons:

 

Erie/Eric born Moscow 1883/4

Uno born Newmarket 1886/7, 

Albert Edward born 1888/9 Newmarket

Allen/Allan Henning born 1890 London (birth Registered as Henning Beer in Hampstead Reg Dist

Richard born 1883/3 London.

 

Of the two born in London maybe Allen Henning served under an alias due to his german sounding name.

 

A Swedish equestrian artist called John Axel Richard Beer (1853-1906) fits the fathers year of birth on the census, painted horses at Newmarket & died in Hendon area of London Dec 1906. He has works on line including one painted in 19thc St Petersburg in the Queens collection.

https://www.rct.uk/collection/920950/marie-feodorovna-empress-of-russia-driving-in-a-sleigh-at-st-petersburg-in-snow

 

Looks from the British Newspaper Archive that Johns wife died in 1907:

 

... at times, appeared very at range tuber manner. The eldest son, Uno Beer, said the deceased had often threatened to take her life, and would quarrel without any occasion for it. Allen Beer, another son, stated that when he entered the deceased's room on ...

Published: Friday 05 July 1907 
Newspaper: Kilburn Times 

 

As both parents had died by 1908, and not sure what happened to Erie/Eric for Uno to be named as the eldest son, Uno could have been named NOK to an unmarried younger brother in the army.

 

Travers61

Thank you for this information it adds more to what I have found in particular the newspaper article, also the Allen Henning beer connection, I also found no death registration for him

Anything further very much appreciated 

Geoff 

[travers61]

It seems one of the sons Richard (1893 -1938) was a famous artist as well and painted in the name of Dick Beer. There is a website dedicated to his life & works, which has a contact page & email adresses for members of the family:

http://www.dickbeer.org/cosmopolitan/

After his mothers death in 1907, dick then aged 14 was sent back to the family in Sweden & trained as an artist, moving to Paris in 1912. In August 1914, Beer has returned to Paris. Like a hundred other foreign artists residing in the French capital, he enrols in the Légion étrangère after having signed a manifest at Café Le Dôme against Kaiser Wilhelm’s Germany. Although he remains enlisted until the end of 1916, he is seriously wounded in the head by an exploding grenade in September 1915 at Souain. Recovering at the Château de Rochefort and elsewhere, he immediately takes up painting, which probably is the best therapy.  

 

He mastered perfectly Molière’s tongue, he was a volunteer in the Légion étrangère to stand up against the Germans (first as a soldier then as an ambulance man). 

 

And more important, of the other brothers it says this:

Several friends died in the war, such as the Swedish volunteer artist Ivan Lönnberg in 1918, and Dick’s two brothers Allan and Edward on the British side (the latter, also a gifted painter, was probably shot after an attempted soldier rebellion).

 

They may be refering to Uno Beer when saying this about Dick Beer:

Fifteen years after having left England (he rarely returned and never for a long time, as his only surviving brother had departed for New Zealand), he still kept a British passport.

 

When looking at Uno Beer before, I think he spent the war in Russia, as I found a photo dated 1912 & taken in Russia.

 

It has this to say about John Axel Richard Beer:

 

The horse and watercolour painter John Beer, Dick’s father, belongs to the third generation on Swedish soil and makes an artistic career in the United States, Imperial Russia (where his brother Hugo was a businessman) and England. A specialist of horse races, a refined aquarellist, mundane, John Beer is considered one of the most sought after horse illustrators of the Victorian age (Illustrated London News, The Graphic, Black and White, and many others). Counting with the favours of the prince of Wales, Dick Beer’s father had a brilliant social life. Oscar Wilde, James McNeill Whistler and Caruso were among the habitués in the Beer home in London.

 

The family had originated in Germany.

Edited 2 April , 2020 by travers61

[wulsten]

6 hours ago, travers61 said:

It seems one of the sons Richard (1893 -1938) was a famous artist as well and painted in the name of Dick Beer. There is a website dedicated to his life & works, which has a contact page & email adresses for members of the family:

http://www.dickbeer.org/cosmopolitan/

After his mothers death in 1907, dick then aged 14 was sent back to the family in Sweden & trained as an artist, moving to Paris in 1912. In August 1914, Beer has returned to Paris. Like a hundred other foreign artists residing in the French capital, he enrols in the Légion étrangère after having signed a manifest at Café Le Dôme against Kaiser Wilhelm’s Germany. Although he remains enlisted until the end of 1916, he is seriously wounded in the head by an exploding grenade in September 1915 at Souain. Recovering at the Château de Rochefort and elsewhere, he immediately takes up painting, which probably is the best therapy.  

 

He mastered perfectly Molière’s tongue, he was a volunteer in the Légion étrangère to stand up against the Germans (first as a soldier then as an ambulance man). 

 

And more important, of the other brothers it says this:

Several friends died in the war, such as the Swedish volunteer artist Ivan Lönnberg in 1918, and Dick’s two brothers Allan and Edward on the British side (the latter, also a gifted painter, was probably shot after an attempted soldier rebellion).

 

They may be refering to Uno Beer when saying this about Dick Beer:

Fifteen years after having left England (he rarely returned and never for a long time, as his only surviving brother had departed for New Zealand), he still kept a British passport.

 

When looking at Uno Beer before, I think he spent the war in Russia, as I found a photo dated 1912 & taken in Russia.

 

It has this to say about John Axel Richard Beer:

 

The horse and watercolour painter John Beer, Dick’s father, belongs to the third generation on Swedish soil and makes an artistic career in the United States, Imperial Russia (where his brother Hugo was a businessman) and England. A specialist of horse races, a refined aquarellist, mundane, John Beer is considered one of the most sought after horse illustrators of the Victorian age (Illustrated London News, The Graphic, Black and White, and many others). Counting with the favours of the prince of Wales, Dick Beer’s father had a brilliant social life. Oscar Wilde, James McNeill Whistler and Caruso were among the habitués in the Beer home in London.

 

The family had originated in Germany.

Travers61,

I think you just found the golden nugget with this link and information, in particular the two brothers serving and deaths, I will use the contact form and see if we get a response

A very appreciative Geoff

[wulsten]

An old post, but sadly no responses from the emails listed on the Dick Beer website, though I'm sure John Taylor was an alias for Allen Henning Beer