D. C. Viola Posted 30 March , 2020 Share Posted 30 March , 2020 (edited) Wanted to know if anyone can find info for Thomas Coleman in the Royal Scots? His year of birth was 1898 - he was from Barrhead a town in East Renfrewshire,and moved to Philadelphia when he was 19 years old. I am his granddaughter. I was only three years old when he died. Edited 30 March , 2020 by D. C. Viola Corrections Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin DavidOwen Posted 30 March , 2020 Admin Share Posted 30 March , 2020 Welcome. Is this a ww1 question or later? If the latter you would be better asking at http://www.ww2talk.com/index.php Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banstead100 Posted 30 March , 2020 Share Posted 30 March , 2020 Hi Viola, Do you have any more details for us to go on? There aren't many Thomas Colemans in the Royal Scots in WW1 but there are still a handful so anything you could tell us (a middle name, his battalion, a service number, etc.) would be really helpful in working out which one is him. Kind Regards, James Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david murdoch Posted 30 March , 2020 Share Posted 30 March , 2020 (edited) Not seeing medal card for Thomas Coleman or T Coleman in Royal Scots in WW1 There is one from Barrhead in 1911 Census aged 13 - so born 1898 and fighting age in WW1. There was only one Thomas Coleman born in Scotland in 1901 and he was born in Midlothian. One Thomas McIroy Coleman born Barrhead in 1902 Looking in records the one born 1998 enlisted in the Royal Scots as 38484 in December 1915 giving age as 18. Father's name Anthony and address 2 Walton St Barrhead. Served with 16th for a couple of weeks then 12th RS. Is he the one who married in Pennsylvania in 1924? Edited 30 March , 2020 by david murdoch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banstead100 Posted 30 March , 2020 Share Posted 30 March , 2020 Hi David, There are a few actually but apart from one they're all men who served with more than one regiment so maybe they're not showing up under Royal Scots in all search facilities: Thomas Coleman - Royal Scots 38484 and Labour Corps 382063 Thomas E Coleman - Durham Light Infantry 27183 and Royal Scots 302757 Thomas J Coleman - Royal Scots 1861 and Royal Engineers 79723 Thomas Coleman - 1st Garrison Royal Scots 18046 There are also service records for a Thomas Coleman, 17th Bn. Royal Scots, 22057, but he probably isn't our man. Let's see if Viola is able to provide us with some more information and we can do some more digging then. James Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david murdoch Posted 30 March , 2020 Share Posted 30 March , 2020 James. I'm seeing service record for this one Thomas Coleman - Royal Scots 38484 and Labour Corps 382063 - seems to match lad from Barrhead in 1911 Census but he was born earlier than 1901. He's on an Ancestry tree and by a passenger list seen arriving in USA July 1920 with his younger brother James - UK address matching father's address on service record. His service record is already attached to that family tree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. C. Viola Posted 30 March , 2020 Author Share Posted 30 March , 2020 (edited) . Yes ! I obviously had the incorrect date of birth he did have a brother James and his two sisters, Mary and Honour were already in the states by then -this is very exciting!! So Thomas‘s oldest son (he had 10 children!) is my father, his name is Anthony, which is my great grandfathers name. “Thomas Coleman - Royal Scots 38484 and Labour Corps 382063“ “Looking in records the one born 1998 enlisted in the Royal Scots as 38484 in December 1915 giving age as 18. Father'sname Anthony and address 2 Walton St Barrhead. Served with 16th for a couple of weeks then 12th RS. Is he the one whomarried in Pennsylvania in 1924?” Denise Coleman Viola (Tommy’s granddaughter) Edited 30 March , 2020 by D. C. Viola Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alf mcm Posted 30 March , 2020 Share Posted 30 March , 2020 This is from the 1924 marriage of Thomas Coleman. https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=https%3A%2F%2Ffamilysearch.org%2Fpal%3A%2FMM9.3.1%2FTH-266-11031-198390-22&parentid=US%2FFS%2FM%2F043413623%2F1 His father was Anthony and his mother's maiden name was McHugh. Anthony Coleman married Rose Ann McHugh in Barrhead in 1889. Regards, Alf McM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banstead100 Posted 30 March , 2020 Share Posted 30 March , 2020 58 minutes ago, david murdoch said: I'm seeing service record for this one Thomas Coleman - Royal Scots 38484 and Labour Corps 382063 findmypast have transcribed that one as being Royal Field Artillery for some reason. I'll submit a correction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banstead100 Posted 30 March , 2020 Share Posted 30 March , 2020 Denise, Do you have a subscription to findmypast or Ancestry? They both have his service records. If not, then we can summarise. Was there something in particular you were looking to find out? James Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. C. Viola Posted 30 March , 2020 Author Share Posted 30 March , 2020 2 hours ago, david murdoch said: Not seeing medal card for Thomas Coleman or T Coleman in Royal Scots in WW1 There is one from Barrhead in 1911 Census aged 13 - so born 1898 and fighting age in WW1. There was only one Thomas Coleman born in Scotland in 1901 and he was born in Midlothian. One Thomas McIroy Coleman born Barrhead in 1902 Looking in records the one born 1998 enlisted in the Royal Scots as 38484 in December 1915 giving age as 18. Father's name Anthony and address 2 Walton St Barrhead. Served with 16th for a couple of weeks then 12th RS. Is he the one who married in Pennsylvania in 1924? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david murdoch Posted 30 March , 2020 Share Posted 30 March , 2020 There is a service record with his attestation and also a discharge record from Labour Corps he enlisted 8th December 1915 aged 18 and 4 months, his actual date of birth is 10th August 1897 (from his birth certificate) He only mobilised November 1916 (when he was 19 ) then went to France 24th January 1917 being intended for 16th Royal Scots, but then 11th February posted to 12th Royal Scots (most likely as a casualty replacement) and sent to his unit in the field. May 1917 promoted Lance Corporal and then Corporal in August 1917 then transferred to Labour Corps September 1917. Possibly due to him having suffered from bronchitis and no longer fully fit. He re numbered 382063 and served with 32nd Labour Company, returning to UK in February 1919 for demobilisation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. C. Viola Posted 30 March , 2020 Author Share Posted 30 March , 2020 I do not have a subscription to either. I come to this very new. Happen to be watching a show on Netflix called the English Game and remembered my grandfather played football or soccer back then, and continued to play when he was in Philadelphia. So far, even though I remember some of this information, I find it fascinating to look into my family history back in Scotland- lots of time on my hand with the pandemic issue! Denise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PRC Posted 30 March , 2020 Share Posted 30 March , 2020 16 minutes ago, D. C. Viola said: I do not have a subscription to either. You could also try out the familysearch site doesn't require subscription. It has documents relating to the arrival of Thomas & James at Ellis Island such as this one https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J663-KTG and also the 1930 & 1940 US Censuses showing hin in Pennsylvania. I notes that as he got older the age given got relatively younger - so on the arrival in the US his estimated birth year works back to 1897, by the 1940 Census its circa 1900, which may possibly explain the confusion. Hope that helps, Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. C. Viola Posted 30 March , 2020 Author Share Posted 30 March , 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, david murdoch said: Not seeing medal card for Thomas Coleman or T Coleman in Royal Scots in WW1 There is one from Barrhead in 1911 Census aged 13 - so born 1898 and fighting age in WW1. There was only one Thomas Coleman born in Scotland in 1901 and he was born in Midlothian. One Thomas McIroy Coleman born Barrhead in 1902 Looking in records the one born 1998 enlisted in the Royal Scots as 38484 in December 1915 giving age as 18. Father's name Anthony and address 2 Walton St Barrhead. Served with 16th for a couple of weeks then 12th RS. Is he the one who married in Pennsylvania in 1924? Yes that is him! Most helpful. Thank you. Denise Edited 30 March , 2020 by D. C. Viola Correction Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. C. Viola Posted 30 March , 2020 Author Share Posted 30 March , 2020 The reference to bronchitis was interesting-my sister has suffered with that her entire life. Denise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david murdoch Posted 30 March , 2020 Share Posted 30 March , 2020 (edited) 51 minutes ago, D. C. Viola said: I do not have a subscription to either. I come to this very new. Happen to be watching a show on Netflix called the English Game and remembered my grandfather played football or soccer back then, and continued to play when he was in Philadelphia. So far, even though I remember some of this information, I find it fascinating to look into my family history back in Scotland- lots of time on my hand with the pandemic issue! Denise The family history records prior to them going to USA are on Scotlands People. I see his birth certificate and 1911 Census return which shows the family lived at 2 Walton St for a number of years. With a few names and dates to go on can track back and get his parents marriage certificate ect. https://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/ There is quite an extensive family tree on Ancestry for the family - looks like all of them emigrated to USA but not together. This notes his father was originally from Ireland. His wife was from Glasgow (area) of Irish parents and from Scotlands People they married in Barrhead in 1889. There is a good photo of his parents on this tree Looks also they had two sons both called Anthony who died - one aged two and another aged five. Do you have any photos or medals that led you to know Thomas was with Royal Scots? Edited 30 March , 2020 by david murdoch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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