2nd 5th Battalion Hamphires officer group Dec1914

[Kimberley John Lindsay]

Dear All, and medal collectors,

The attached clipping of 2/5 Bn Hampshire officers was possibly from The Illustrated London News (?) or some-such, ca. December 1914.

I possess the medal group of C. D. Balding (shown at extreme left, back row). 

The thirty officers are conveniently named, and are not only researchable, but may well be the Elusive Image many a collector has been searching for...

Perhaps some GWF aficionado can even identify the newspaper and date - not to mention the one or the other Officer Saga?

Yet another may be computer-savvy enough to splice the clipping together!

Kindest regards,

Kim.

[Steven Broomfield]

Smashing picture.

 

The Battalion arrived at Secunderabad  on 9th January, 1915, and were quartered at Gough Barracks, Trimugherry. Their rifles were condemned, so until July they had no rifles. Captain Mitchell of the Royal Sussex was attached with some men, to 'give instruction in Indian routine, and their services were invaluable'(!)

[PRC]

Strange – I thought the regular suspects would have been all over this so I didn’t post.

 

However just had cause to look at the April 1915 Monthly Army List for a potential Hampshire Regiment man so thought I’d tried reconciling the details there, (in bold) with the names on the photo.

 

Officers shown serving with the 2nd / 5th Battalion.

 

Lieutenant Colonel C.R.L. Day, seniority 26 Sept 14 (Photo as Campbell Day)

Supplement to London Gazette 17th October 1914 Page 8332. Major Campbell R.L. Day to be Lieutenant Colonel.

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/28941/supplement/8332/data.pdf

MiC Contact Address: 17, Archer Road, Southampton. MiC in the name of Campbell Rowland Lacy Day.

 

 

Major A. L. Stevenson, seniority 5 Dec. 14

London Gazette 11th December 1914, Page 10591. Major Arthur L. Stevenson to be Adjutant.

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/29003/page/10591/data.pdf

MiC Contact Address: 21, Westridge Road, Southampton. MiC in name of Arthur Later Stevenson.

 

 

Captain F.H. Burnett, seniority 2 Sept. 14

London Gazette 1st September 1914, Page 6911. Lieutenant Frederick H. Burnett to be Captain.

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/28886/page/6911/data.pdf

MiC Contact Address: Broad ???, Alcestwood(?) Road, Southampton. MiC as Frederick Hugh Burnett.

 

Captain & Adjutant J.F. St.Q. Archdale, seniority 10 Oct 14. (Adjutant 5 Dec 14)

Supplement to London Gazette 9th November 1914, Page 9122. John Frederick St. Quintin Archdale (late Lieutenant 2nd Volunteer Battaltion, The Hampshire Regiment), to be Captain.

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/28968/supplement/9122/data.pdf

MiC Contact Address: Blackhamsley, Brockenhurst, Hants.

 

Captain W.F. Crosson, seniority 8 Oct 14

London Gazette 27th November 1914, Page 9998. William Fredrick Crosson to be Captain.

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/28987/page/9998/data.pdf

MiC Contact Address: Mayfield, Eggars Hill, Aldershot.

 

Captain S.C. Atkey, seniority 28 Nov 14

London Gazette 8th December 1914 Page 10460. Sidney Charles Atkey to be Captain.

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/29000/page/10460/data.pdf

MiC Contact Address:  -  Received SWB

 

 

Lieutenant J.L. Andrews, seniority 5 Dec 14

London Gazette 11th December 1914, Page 10591. Second-Lieutenant John L. Andrews to be Lieutenant (Temporary).

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/29003/page/10591/data.pdf

London Gazette 1st September 1914, Page 6911. John Lancelot Andrews to be Second Lieutenant

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/28886/page/6911/data.pdf

MiC Contact Address: 2 Clive Court, Maida Vale, London. W.9

 

Lieutenant A.S. Burnett, seniority 5 Dec 14

London Gazette 11th December 1914, Page 10591. Second-Lieutenant Andrew S. Burnett to be Lieutenant (Temporary).

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/29003/page/10591/data.pdf

London Gazette 2 October 1914 Page 7824. Andrew Stuart Burnett to be Second Lieutenant

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/28922/page/7824/data.pdf

MiC Contact Address: 2, High Street, Southampton. Transferred IARO.

 

Lieutenant S.L. Toogood, seniority 5 Dec 14

London Gazette 11th December 1914, Page 10591. Second-Lieutenant Stanley L. Toogood to be Lieutenant (Temporary).

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/29003/page/10591/data.pdf

London Gazette 2 October 1914 Page 7824. Stanley Lywood Toogood to be Second Lieutenant

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/28922/page/7824/data.pdf

MiC Contact Address: Shawford, Hants..

 

Lieutenant R. Mead, seniority 5 Dec 14

London Gazette 11th December 1914, Page 10591. Second-Lieutenant Roger Mead to be Lieutenant (Temporary).

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/29003/page/10591/data.pdf

MiC Contact Address: 426, Glossop Road, Sheffield, (serving with Police in Iraq).

 

Lieutenant C.M.J. Ellis, seniority 5 Dec 14

London Gazette 11th December 1914, Page 10591. Second-Lieutenant Cecil M. Ellis to be Lieutenant (Temporary).

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/29003/page/10591/data.pdf

MiC Contact Address: 17, Albemarle Street, London, W.1. MiC in name of Cecil Montague Jacomb Ellis.

 

 

2nd Lieutenant C.A. Kenny, seniority 1 Oct 14

Supplement to London Gazette 9th November 1914, Page 9122. Charles Aloysius Kenny to be Second Lieutenant.

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/28968/supplement/9122/data.pdf

MiC Contact Address: O.C 2nd Battalion Hampshire Regiment, Martinique Barracks, Bordon.

 

2nd Lieutenant G.A. McAndrew, seniority 5 Oct 14

Supplement to London Gazette 9th November 1914, Page 9122. Gerald Alexander McAndrew to be Second Lieutenant.

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/28968/supplement/9122/data.pdf

MiC Contact Address: Headley Park, Borden, Hants.

 

2nd Lieutenant G.S.W. Spenser-Smith, seniority 5 Oct 14 (Photo as Spencer-Smith)

Supplement to London Gazette 9th November 1914, Page 9122. Gilbert Seymour Worsley Spenser-Smith to be Second Lieutenant.

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/28968/supplement/9122/data.pdf

No obvious MiC.

 

2nd Lieutenant W.H. Pike, seniority 20 Oct 14

Supplement to London Gazette 9th November 1914, Page 9122. Wilfrid Holton Pike to be Second Lieutenant.

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/28968/supplement/9122/data.pdf

MiC Contact Address: Depot 130th K.G.O Baluchis, Hyderabad, Sind, India. Transferred to 20/Royal Deccan Horse, Indian Army.

 

2nd Lieutenant C.H. Jenner, seniority 20 Oct 14

Supplement to London Gazette 9th November 1914, Page 9122. Charles Herbert Jenner to be Second Lieutenant.

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/28968/supplement/9122/data.pdf

MiC Contact Address: St Cyprians, Eastbourne, Sussex. (Transferred Indian Army)

 

2nd Lieutenant W.R. Kay, seniority 20 Oct 14

Supplement to London Gazette 9th November 1914, Page 9122. William Robert Kay to be Second Lieutenant.

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/28968/supplement/9122/data.pdf

MiC Contact Address: 72, Hill Lane, Southampton.

 

2nd Lieutenant P.M.S. Latham, seniority 27 Oct 14 (is this one of the “Lathour’s” on the photo?)

Supplement to London Gazette 9th November 1914, Page 9122. Peter Morton Sturges Latham to be Second Lieutenant.

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/28968/supplement/9122/data.pdf

MiC Contact Address:  -

 

2nd Lieutenant A.T.P. Robertson, seniority 3 Nov 14

London Gazette 27th November 1914, Page 9998. Alexander Thomas Parke Robertson to be Second Lieutenant.

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/28987/page/9998/data.pdf

MiC Contact Address: Ellarona, Hayling Island, Hants.

 

2nd Lieutenant H.S.M. McEntire, seniority 9 Dec 14 (Photo as MacEntire)

London Gazette 8th December 1914 Page 10460. Private Henry Sandys Mecredy McEntire from the 1st Infantry Brigade, Canadian Volunteers, to be Second Lieutenant.

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/29000/page/10460/data.pdf

Nearest match – Captain Outrams Rifles (Indian Army). MiC for him as a Private cross-referenced, Neither has an address.

 

2nd Lieutenant C.D. Balding, seniority 9 Dec 14

London Gazette 8th December 1914 Page 10460. Private Charles Dennis Balding from the 4th Battalion, Royal Berkshire Regiment, to be Second Lieutenant.

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/29000/page/10460/data.pdf

Couldn’t trace a MiC – possible Captain in Indian Army.

 

2nd Lieutenant C.N. de W. Palethorpe, seniority 11 Dec 14

Supplement to the London Gazette, 10th December 1914, Page 10577. Colour-Serjeant Cuthbert Norman de Warde Palethorpe, from the Rossall School Contingent, Junior Division, Officer Training Corps, to be Second Lieutenant.

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/29002/supplement/10577/data.pdf

MiC Contact Address: 46 Cheniston Gardens, Kensington, London, W.8.

 

2nd Lieutenant H.C. Butcher, seniority 11 Dec 14

Supplement to the London Gazette, 10th December 1914, Page 10578. Private Herbert Charles Butcher, from the Public Schools Brigade, Royal Fusiliers, to be Second Lieutenant.

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/29002/supplement/10578/data.pdf

MiC Contact Address: Kenilworth, Horley, Sussex.

 

2nd Lieutenant C. Latham, seniority 11 Dec 14 (is this one of the “Lathour’s” on the photo?)

Supplement to the London Gazette, 10th December 1914, Page 10578. Christopher Latham to be Second Lieutenant.

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/29002/supplement/10578/data.pdf

MiC Contact Address: Bowden Hill, Pangbourne, Berkshire.

 

 

Quartermaster Hon Lieutenant F.Pigden, seniority 5 Dec 14

London Gazette 11th December 1914 Page 10591. Frank Pigden (late Colour-Serjeant (Acting Serjeant-Major) of this Battalion) to be Quartermaster, with the honorary rank of Lieutenant.

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/29003/page/10591/data.pdf

MiC Contact Address: Southbrook, West Station Road, Southampton.

 

 

Medical Officer.

Lieutenant G.S. Glass M.B. RAMC TF (attached), seniority 1 Oct 14

London Gazette 3rd November 1914, Page 8896. RAMC TF section under heading “Attached to Units other than Medical Units”, George Shaw Glass. M.B. to be Lieutenant. Dated 1st October 1914.

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/28961/page/8896/data.pdf

 

 

Attached from the 6th Battalion.

 

Lieutenant R.G Gibbings, seniority 2 Sep 1914

London Gazette 1st September 1914.  Second Lieutenant Richard G. Gibbings to be Lieutenant.

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/28886/page/6911/data.pdf

MiC Contact Address: Bushy Down, Droxford, Hants.

 

2nd Lieutenant R.T Stallard, seniority 22 Sep 1914

London Gazette 2 October 1914 Page 7824. Reginald Tom Stallard to be Second Lieutenant

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/28922/page/7824/data.pdf

MiC Contact Address: Riversdale, Havant, Hants.

 

2nd Lieutenant H.V. Tollemache, seniority 22 Oct 1914

Supplement to the London Gazette 9th November 1914, Page 9123. Harold Vincent Tollemache to be Second Lieutenant.

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/28968/supplement/9123/data.pdf

No obvious MiC match.

 

On photo but not identified from Army List

Captain Mitchell, Royal Sussex Regiment

 

Hope that helps,

Peter

 

[Kimberley John Lindsay]

Dear Peter,

Very many thanks for going to the not inconsiderable trouble of kindly supplying information about so many Officers!

I will weave all this into my on-going MSS about the calibre of these Officers vis-a-vis the obscure 2nd Lieut. C. D. Balding. 

Balding was lucky in many ways.

A public school Old Boy (Reading School), and enrolled 1911 at the University of London, in 1914 he served as a Private with 4th Bn., Royal Berkshires.

Balding was commissioned into the Hampshires just in time to obtain a Passage to India, and spared him from Western Front service as a subaltern.

Later, he was seconded to the Indian Army Reserve of Officers, as an Instructor at the University of Allahabad Battalion - and subsequently was accepted into the Indian Army proper, which he served through several campaigns until retirement...

Kindest regards,

Kim.

[PRC]

8 hours ago, PRC said:

2nd Lieutenant A.T.P. Robertson, seniority 3 Nov 14

London Gazette 27th November 1914, Page 9998. Alexander Thomas Parke Robertson to be Second Lieutenant.

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/28987/page/9998/data.pdf

MiC Contact Address: Ellarona, Hayling Island, Hants.

 

The Oxford Dictionary of National Biography records an Alexander Thomas Parke Anthony Cecil Robertson, born 3rd June 1892 at Southsea, Hampshire as a musicologist and broadcaster. He died in 1982. https://www.oxforddnb.com/view/10.1093/ref:odnb/9780198614128.001.0001/odnb-9780198614128-e-105947

 

I believe the same person is shown on Wikipedia  as simply Alexander Robertson.

 

Alec Robertson, MBE (3 June 1892, Southsea – 18 January 1982, Midhurst) was a British writer, broadcaster and music critic. He wrote music criticism for Gramophone for more than 50 years, beginning with the magazine's very first issue in 1923. He later served as that magazine's music editor from 1952–1972.

 

In 1950, Robertson succeeded Ralph Hill as editor of Music magazine, on the latter's death, having previously written a record review column for its predecessor, Penguin Music Magazine. He also wrote for The Catholic Herald, and The Tablet.

 

He appeared as a "castaway" on the BBC Radio programme Desert Island Discs on 3 June 1957, and again on 3 June 1972.

 

Robertson was educated at Bradfield College and the Royal Academy of Music. He was named a fellow of the latter institution in 1946.[In 1972, he was made a Member of the Order of the British Empire.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alec_Robertson_(music_critic)

 

And he has already featured on the forum

Cheers,

Peter

 

[Kimberley John Lindsay]

Dear Peter,

Thanks for that. Well done!

Unfortunately the biography posted ten years ago, refused to open (typical)!

Having said that, it just shows the high calibre of subalterns fielded by the UK in those days...

Kindest regards,

Kim.

[ddycher]

Peter

 

Thanks for the PM pointing me here.

 

This is what I immediately have on file on Alec Robertson. Fascinating life story. Have more somewhere which I will dig out if anyone is interested.

 

Rev. Alexander "Alec" Thomas Parke Anthony Cecil Robinson

 

• Born at Southsea, Hants
  • 3rd June 1892,
• Father : Dr John Robert Stevenson Robertson R.A.M.C.
• Mother : Elizabeth (Bessie) Manisty MacRory
• Educated at :
  • Bradfield College
  • Royal Academy of Music
• Family :
  • Brother Edward “Mac” MacRory Robertson born :
    • 1891
  • Brother Edward killed
    • 1915
  • Father died :
    • 1923
  • Mother died
    • 1950
• Military :
  • 2/5th Hants
  • Gazetted to 2nd Lieut in the 5th Hants
    • 3rd November 1914
    • Sailed for India with 2/5th Hants and the 2nd Wessex in the HMT Aragon.
      • December 1914.
  • 2/5th Concert Party
    • Served with the rest concert part from India to Mesopotamia (around Basra)
      • TBD 1915&1916 (?)
    • Gazetted from 2nd Lieut to Lieut.
      • 1st December 1915
  • 2/5th Hants

 

DD note : Unknown when he returned to the 2/5th Hants.

 

• 232nd Bde
  • Served “the greater part of his time in Palestine” as Brigade Intelligence Officer and “unofficial  ADC” to Brig.-Gen. Hubert Huddleston GOC 232nd Bde.
  • MIC shows him transferred to 1/4th Wilts but may not actually have happened

 

Task : MIC shows he was transferred to the Wilts Regt. 1/4th Wilts received a drafts from the 2/5th Hants on 6th-9th August 1918. 5 Officers and 300 men from the 2/5th Hants joined the 1/4th Wilts. No ref as yet to Alec Robertson. OR ref shows that men from 2/5th Hants who stayed with Bde HQ were transferred “on the books” but stayed with HQ. This may also be true with Alec Robertson. Explore further.

 

• Thought to have relinquished his commission on 30th September 1921
• Others :
  • Organist and choirmaster, first at Frensharn, Surrey, then at Farnham, Surrey.
  • Post-war an ‘influential writer and broadcaster on music’,
  • After the war he returned for a while to the R.A.M. and also lectured to L.C.C. evening classes.
  • Joined Gramaphone in 1923
  • He decided to enter the priesthood. After a preparatory period at Ampleforth Abbey, A.R. went to Rome and there for four years he studied theology and church music at the Collegio Beda. Then he was ordained. His next three years were spent at Westminster Cathedral.
  • After much introspection he requested, and was granted, a special dispensation by Cardinal Hinsley.
  • In 1947 he was elected a F.R.A.M.
  • A.R. left the B.B.C. in May 1952, after eight years introducing “Music Magazine",
  • Autobiography published by Collins in 1961

 

DD note : Have a copy but he omits his war-time experiences.

 

• Awarded the MBE
  • 3rd June 1972
• Died : Chichester, West Sussex, aged 89.
  • 18th January 1982 

Edited 3 April , 2020 by ddycher

[ddycher]

Alec Robinson in later life

Edited 3 April , 2020 by ddycher

[Kimberley John Lindsay]

Dear dd,

Wow!

Yet more fascinating Information highlighting the erudition of C. D. Balding's brother Officers.

Kindest regards,

Kim.

[ddycher]

Small world we operate in Kim. I had not seen the photo in your original post before. As you says it puts faces to any number of names from my research in the 75th Div. Much appreciated.

 

Regards

Dave

[ddycher]

Alec Robertsons obituary in The Times.

 

[Kimberley John Lindsay]

Dear All, and Dave,

Yes, These are the sort of spin-offs that seem to happen regularly on the Great War Forum.

I am pleased to have been of some help...

Kindest regards,

Kim.

[PRC]

7 hours ago, ddycher said:

• • Autobiography published by Collins in 1961

 

DD note : Have a copy but he omits his war-time experiences.

 

Alec Robinson appeared twice on Desert Island Discs. The second time, in 1972, is available to listen to on the BBC website. The format of the show tended to follow a semi-autobiographical pattern so may be worth a try.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p009nbr1

 

Edit - after typing the above I idlely put into Google the next fairly unique on the list - Peter Morton Sturges Latham

 

First response I got was a book - "How to Use the Gramophone in School" (1927) co-authored by Peter Morton Sturges Latham and Alec Robertson.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/How-Gramophone-School-Alec-Robertson/dp/B0017UTAUS/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&qid=1585903564&refinements=p_27%3APeter+Sturges&s=books&sr=1-1

 

Looks like he received an Emergency Commission in 1941.

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/35128/supplement/2019/data.pdf

 

He also has WW1 personal papers held at the McMaster University Library.

http://www.firstworldwar.amdigital.co.uk/Documents/Details/Papers-of-Peter-Morton-Sturges-Latham/MILLS_Box 3_Folder 8

 

There is a 1963 reference to Professor Peter Morton Sturges Latham joining the Company of Clothmakers.

https://www.clothworkers.co.uk/The-Company/Current-Role-Activity/Structure-Governance/Structure/List-of-Masters.aspx

 

Hope that helps (someone)!

Peter

 

Edited 3 April , 2020 by PRC
Add information about Peter Morton Sturges Latham

[ddycher]

Alec Robertson and Peter Latham were long-time friends. Pre-war Latham held a Nettleship Scholarship at Balliol. Married to Agnes TBD. Alec Robertson and Peter Latham joined the 5th Hants together. Also a musician and member of the 5th Hants concert party. Post war they were lecturers together and both were at Gramophone.

 

Regards

Dave

 

Edited 3 April , 2020 by ddycher

[Kimberley John Lindsay]

Dear Peter,

Here is the Medal Index Card and GSM roll for C. D. Balding.

Kindest regards,

Kim.

[ddycher]

Kim apologies for hijacking your thread :

 

All

 

I am trying to find more details on Lt.-Col. Campbell Day’s invaliding in August 1917. The 5th Devons CO was released at the same time during the 232nd Bde’s re-organization at Dier el Belah. Too much of a co-incidence not to look into.

 

I would appreciate any thoughts. 
 

Regards

Dave

[Kimberley John Lindsay]

Dear Dave,

By all means, no problem with the 'hijacking'!

Indeed, I did something similar recently, and the Member reckoned I had 'contaminated' his thread, and I thereupon withdrew without comment.

Hijacking is a much more appropriate word - especially as it intimates that one is being active on the GWF, rather than being simply passive...

Kindest regards,

Kim.

[RaySearching]

On 27/03/2020 at 12:12, Kimberley John Lindsay said:

Yet another may be computer-savvy enough to splice the clipping together!

 

 

If you could  iron out the crease in the text  in the right hand image I could have another bash

Edited 9 August , 2020 by RaySearching

[Kimberley John Lindsay]

Dear Ray,

How clever of you. Super! 

The original with dog-ear crease is in his Records at the NAM, if I recall correctly. Or possibly BL - but academic now...

Many thanks.

Kindest regards,

Kim.

Edited 9 August , 2020 by Kimberley John Lindsay

[ddycher]

Always better to ask Kim. Some people more sensitive than others. How's the Balding research going ?

 

Regards

Dave

[Kimberley John Lindsay]

Dear Dave, and Ray,

Kind of you to ask after my Balding research, Dave; interrupted by the Pandemic, with documents still to come - however, not before an excellent group was found!

Balding can be seen, 1917, as Instructor, Allahabad University Battalion, A.F.I.

Meanwhile, I have acquired 1) an OBE and MiDs group to a Colonel, RE (R. H. S. Hounsell), and 2) the group to Lieut F. Low - a Highlander Officer and later Sir Francis Low, long-time Editor of "The Times of India"...

Kindest regards,

Kim.

Edited 9 August , 2020 by Kimberley John Lindsay