marina Posted 14 June , 2005 Share Posted 14 June , 2005 Here's the next picture post operation. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Another man's arm does that say? GULP Marina Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Dunlop Posted 14 June , 2005 Share Posted 14 June , 2005 Marina, you are right about rapid medical/surgical advances in wartime. I posted some information here http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/i...ndpost&p=217248 written by a surgeon who worked in Belgium in the first months of the war. He describes the process of using steel plates for bridging gaps in bone. An alternative would be use a bone graft from another person. The bone would probably be taken from someone who had just died or who had just had the arm amputated. The section of bone would be cut to size, defleshed, possibly boiled. The key is to keep the calcium skeleton with as little protein and other foreign matter as possible. The new 'bone' can then be put into the gap, forming a rigid skeleton and thereby enabling new bone to bridge the gap by growing across the insert. Robert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marina Posted 14 June , 2005 Share Posted 14 June , 2005 Marina, you are right about rapid medical/surgical advances in wartime. I posted some information here <{POST_SNAPBACK}> That's all fascinating stuff, Robert. I had no idea at all that they could do that kind of grafting so early in the century . Thanks for the link. Marina Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Dunlop Posted 14 June , 2005 Share Posted 14 June , 2005 Neither was I, Marina. Well spotted in the documentation. Robert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pompeyrodney Posted 15 June , 2005 Author Share Posted 15 June , 2005 Another man's arm does that say? GULP Marina <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Hi Marina It does indeed say from anothers mans arm, which is why I said you would find it interesting reading. I will post the other pictures tonight so you can see how the new bone forms across the gap. Julian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frev Posted 15 June , 2005 Share Posted 15 June , 2005 Hi Jules Fascinating x-rays! Is there any mention of which hospital this incredible surgery was carried out at? When you brought it up earlier - I assumed that the operation was probably done in England - but as the first photo is dated 4/12/18 - and John arrived back in Melbourne 18/11/18 (not returning to England until 1920) - it had to be done here. It would be interesting to know who the surgeon was too. Cheers, Frev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marina Posted 15 June , 2005 Share Posted 15 June , 2005 Lt. (?)Colonel Moore in August, 1919 Marina Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frev Posted 15 June , 2005 Share Posted 15 June , 2005 Lt. (?)Colonel Moore in August, 1919 Marina <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Thanks Marina Looks like I could do with some surgery myself - on both the eyes & the brain! Cheers, Frev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marina Posted 15 June , 2005 Share Posted 15 June , 2005 Think of poor Jules having to cope with ALL the diary, which isn't even in John's best handwriting! Marina Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pompeyrodney Posted 15 June , 2005 Author Share Posted 15 June , 2005 Hi All Frev you have really set me thinking about the dates involved now, will do some more digging !! Regards Julian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marina Posted 15 June , 2005 Share Posted 15 June , 2005 Hi All Frev you have really set me thinking about the dates involved now, will do some more digging !! Regards Julian <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Was that wire in the wound, or wire from the graft? Robert? Are you there? Marina Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Dunlop Posted 15 June , 2005 Share Posted 15 June , 2005 Marina, I doubt the wire was from the time when the wound occurred. I understand John was hit in the elbow by a sniper's bullet. I wouldn't think this would have contaminated the wound with wire. Methinks it was used to hold the bone graft in place. Nice piece of work. Did John suffer from any paralysis in the hand after the wound? Robert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marina Posted 15 June , 2005 Share Posted 15 June , 2005 Marina, I doubt the wire was from the time when the wound occurred. I understand John was hit in the elbow by a sniper's bullet. I wouldn't think this would have contaminated the wound with wire. Methinks it was used to hold the bone graft in place. Nice piece of work. Did John suffer from any paralysis in the hand after the wound? Robert <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Thanks, Robert. Didn't Jules mention somewhere that tehre was a stiffness in his arm? Maybe I'm misremembering. Marina Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Dunlop Posted 15 June , 2005 Share Posted 15 June , 2005 Marina, I would expect stiffness in the arm. The elbow joint will have been destroyed. There are some important nerves that run past the elbow. I suspect at least one of these may have been destroyed or damaged. If so, there may have been numbness and/or paralysis of the hand and/or fingers. Robert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marina Posted 15 June , 2005 Share Posted 15 June , 2005 Marina, I would expect stiffness in the arm. The elbow joint will have been destroyed. There are some important nerves that run past the elbow. I suspect at least one of these may have been destroyed or damaged. If so, there may have been numbness and/or paralysis of the hand and/or fingers. Robert <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Sounds likely. Come on, Jules - report in! Marina Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pompeyrodney Posted 16 June , 2005 Author Share Posted 16 June , 2005 Hi Jules Fascinating x-rays! Is there any mention of which hospital this incredible surgery was carried out at? When you brought it up earlier - I assumed that the operation was probably done in England - but as the first photo is dated 4/12/18 - and John arrived back in Melbourne 18/11/18 (not returning to England until 1920) - it had to be done here. It would be interesting to know who the surgeon was too. Cheers, Frev <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Hi Frev Thisa should answer your question but it also throws up some more as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pompeyrodney Posted 16 June , 2005 Author Share Posted 16 June , 2005 Thanks Marina Looks like I could do with some surgery myself - on both the eyes & the brain! Cheers, Frev <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Hi Frev This should interest you my friend Regards Julian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pompeyrodney Posted 22 June , 2005 Author Share Posted 22 June , 2005 Evening All I will post the final pictures of the operation this evening so lets be having some responses from you all. Get those fingers moving you lot Regards Julian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marina Posted 22 June , 2005 Share Posted 22 June , 2005 Before 10pm, as usual? Marina Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pompeyrodney Posted 22 June , 2005 Author Share Posted 22 June , 2005 Sorry I am late folks but here is the next picture in the series: More to follow back shortly Julian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianw Posted 22 June , 2005 Share Posted 22 June , 2005 College of surgeons might be able to tell us more about Moore - obviously a very good orthapaedic surgeon. I presume by Robert's description that the implanted bone is effectively sterilised and "killed" by boiling to avoid rejection problems. The man's own bone then invades and surrounds it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pompeyrodney Posted 22 June , 2005 Author Share Posted 22 June , 2005 Here is the next one for you Marina Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pompeyrodney Posted 22 June , 2005 Author Share Posted 22 June , 2005 And finally the last picture Tomorrow I shall post some pictures from the hospital gazette together with some interesting stories. Until then goodnight all. Regards Julian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marina Posted 22 June , 2005 Share Posted 22 June , 2005 I compared the latest pics with th earliest - it really is astonishing what the doctor has achieved. So how did the injury affect John thorugh his life, Jules? Marina Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackblue Posted 22 June , 2005 Share Posted 22 June , 2005 Jules, It's a real bonus that your grandfather kept such fantastic records. The suffering the wounded had to endure (even when they kept limbs) is really bought home by these X-Rays. My grandfather sufferred a similar wound in the upper arm in which he didn't need an implant (and also one to the chest). Just makes you respect them all even more. Rgds Tim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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