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oldson

Hello,wile clearing loft of my new house I found what I think is a ww1 German keple flare pistol am.i correct ? 

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Coldstreamer

a picture would help :P

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oldson

Now with photo ūüėä

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OLD ROBIN HOOD

Greetings from Sherwood Forest

 

What you have is a German 1894 27mm Hebel Flare pistol used during WW1 . Under the current firearms laws it should be de-activated .

 

                                                                   Old Robin Hood

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Joolz

If you're in the UK, and this is not deactivated, it is a Section 1 firearm. Take it immediately to a Registered Firearms Dealer, or failing that take it to the Police. If you hold on to it, even for a week or two, you face a mandatory 5 year sentence for illegal possession of a firearm. If you want to realise its value, make sure you make this clear. It is still your property if it was found in your property, and even if you are not permitted to own it, you can still have a dealer sell it on your behalf. There is no need for it to be destroyed, even though the Police will offer to 'get rid of it for you'. Many valuable war trophy guns have been chucked in the furnace because people haven't realised that the police's automatic offer to destroy it is not actually a legal requirement. It is yours, you can say what happens to it.

 

Saying that, it is in pretty tatty condition.....

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Thewebleyman

I agree that you are not obliged to hand it over to the Police provided you dis[ode of it lawfully , ie give it to an RFD. You could then apply for  FAC to keep it yourself if you wanted to , or sell it via the dealer.

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Joolz

Applying for an FAC for this gun is pretty much a waste of time. It is a Section 1 firearm and therefore you need a good reason to own it. Unless you are a mariner or your job requires you to own one, there is no good reason to own a live flare gun. You could own one on Section 7.1, but it would then have to be part of a collection. Your only options are: have the police destroy it, have an RFD deactivate it (this will involve a cost) then keep it, or have an RFD sell it on your behalf.

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trajan

I have to admit I had never thought of Flare Guns as being prohibited weapons until I saw and followed this thread. Are Blunderbuses still legal?:unsure:

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peregrinvs
3 hours ago, trajan said:

I have to admit I had never thought of Flare Guns as being prohibited weapons until I saw and followed this thread. Are Blunderbuses still legal?:unsure:

An antique muzzle loading blunderbuss  doesn’t require a license to possess. Unless you want to fire it.

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MikB
1 minute ago, peregrinvs said:

An antique muzzle loading blunderbuss  doesn’t require a license to possess. Unless you want to fire it.

 

And if you did, you'd have to find a club that did a blunderbuss competition, for your Good Reason...

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trajan

Thanks chaps... I'll stick to bayonets - well, they are not entirely prohibited as of now

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Joolz

And if you're a Prohibited Person, you can't even own antique or deactivated guns...

 

You'd be surprised what guns you are still perfectly legally able to own and shoot here in the UK, few guns are totally prohibited, they tend to be extremely restricted instead, and require you to jump through more hoops, so to speak, in order to have them.

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peregrinvs
11 hours ago, MikB said:

 

And if you did, you'd have to find a club that did a blunderbuss competition, for your Good Reason...

Or firing blanks for historical re-enactment. Although presumably if you actually wanted to fire a blunderbuss, you’d use a modern replica. Would the short barrel make it Section 1?

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Joolz

If the barrel is less than 24" long, then it would be Section 1. We have the odd blunderbuss at our historical clay shoots, but they are modern replicas, on Section 2. Section 1 shotguns, in the UK, tend to be practical UKPSA shotguns or side-by-side coach guns for SASS 3-gun (cowboy action) shooting. Or barkers for re-enactors...

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peregrinvs

Idle theorising... Would there be any milage in arguing a WWI Hebel flare pistol would count as Section 58? Over 100 years old, ammunition no longer available, (I assume) etc.

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MikB
59 minutes ago, peregrinvs said:

Idle theorising... Would there be any milage in arguing a WWI Hebel flare pistol would count as Section 58? Over 100 years old, ammunition no longer available, (I assume) etc.

I don't think 27mm signal is on the section 58 calibres list, and it would have to be for it to be applicable. 

 

Afternote: In fact they appear to be specifically excluded under Section 58(2) clause (f).

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ServiceRumDiluted

I'd always thought that the reason flare pistols were not on the obsolete calibre list was that they could be easily sleeved down to take a shotgun cartridge.

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