seaJane Posted 12 February , 2020 Share Posted 12 February , 2020 Two articles on the work of the SOUDAN giving dates and statistics in a fair amount of detail.: https://archive.org/details/JRNMSVOL1Images/page/n343/mode/2up https://archive.org/details/JRNMSVOL2Images/page/n215/mode/2up sJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frev Posted 15 February , 2020 Share Posted 15 February , 2020 Great find seaJane Thanks for sharing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seaJane Posted 15 February , 2020 Author Share Posted 15 February , 2020 Should have thought of them sooner - they've been online some years, and the originals in my office! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryn Posted 16 February , 2020 Share Posted 16 February , 2020 Thanks for the links seaJane. I wasn't aware of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seaJane Posted 16 February , 2020 Author Share Posted 16 February , 2020 My pleasure. I must hunt around in the Journal for more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaeldr Posted 16 February , 2020 Share Posted 16 February , 2020 (edited) Thanks SJ This (and the Rewa thread) will be compelling reading, reminding one, if need be, that war is neither romantic nor glorious. The first case mentioned took a week or more to die from his wounds; he was only 16 years old [https://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/4004622/mockett,-walter-richard/] Edited 16 February , 2020 by michaeldr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seaJane Posted 16 February , 2020 Author Share Posted 16 February , 2020 Oh, the poor lad . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawryleslie Posted 19 February , 2020 Share Posted 19 February , 2020 Many thanks for this SeaJane. My Grandfather was cas-evaced from Gallipoli on the Soudan. The description in the second article regarding evacuation of the wounded RND personnel fits nicely with the dates that I know he was transferred to Malta and then to England onboard this heroic hospital ship. A valuable piece of the jigsaw of my Grandfathers brief but violent contribution to that campaign. Thanks for finding and posting it on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seaJane Posted 19 February , 2020 Author Share Posted 19 February , 2020 Glad you've found it useful! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaeldr Posted 14 April , 2020 Share Posted 14 April , 2020 (edited) In answer to a post-war parliamentary question Hansard gives the names of 11 surgeons serving on Soudan between 1st January and 1st July 1915 [see https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1920/nov/09/his-majestys-hospital-ship-soudan] I also understand that the Soudan had accommodation for 202 beds, plus a further 100 'in an emergency' Can it be assumed that all eleven surgeons served together during for these six months? Thanks Michael Edited 14 April , 2020 by michaeldr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seaJane Posted 14 April , 2020 Author Share Posted 14 April , 2020 39 minutes ago, michaeldr said: Can it be assumed that all eleven surgeons served together during for these six months? Thanks Michael Hi Michael I think not. January 1915 Navy List has the following:- Fleet Surg G. Trevor Collingwood Staff Surg J K Murphy Surg (Res) Charles F Bainbridge Tempy Surg Hugh R Phillips Surg RNVR Charles J G Taylor ditto Harry Reah ditto William A Milne Civilian Dental Surg. R W List These are the same as the December 1914 Medical Officers, for what it's worth; after January 1915 I find no names attached to ship details in the Navy List. My experience with diaries relating to REWA leads me to believe that MOs would be relieved and transferred elsewhere from time to time. If you like, I can look up the eleven names in Hansard and see whether Simon Eyre gives different dates for their postings to REWA in his Surgeons of the Royal Navy in the First World War. Failing that, I can initiate an eyeball Mk#1 scan of the Appointments section of the JRNMS to clarify. Best wishes, seaJane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaeldr Posted 14 April , 2020 Share Posted 14 April , 2020 Thanks for your thoughts on this SJ. When I saw that Hansard list, it did occur to me that perhaps 11 doctors/surgeons was a large number for c.300 beds The Jan 1915 Navy List giving only 7 sounds more realistic It is kind of you to offer further scrutiny here, but for my immediate purposes it will not be necessary Thanks again Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seaJane Posted 21 April , 2020 Author Share Posted 21 April , 2020 On 14/04/2020 at 18:45, michaeldr said: The Jan 1915 Navy List giving only 7 sounds more realistic Just by way of confirmation, here is the senior MO of HS ROHILLA: "The medical staff consists of one fleet surgeon in charge, six other medical officers, and a dental surgeon. A chaplain also is borne." Lomas, EC. Hospital ships. The British Medical Journal, Vol. 1, No. 2939 (Apr. 28, 1917), pp. 542-545. https://europepmc.org/backend/ptpmcrender.fcgi?accid=PMC2348413&blobtype=pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaeldr Posted 22 April , 2020 Share Posted 22 April , 2020 SJ, Many thanks for your time and input here, and for that very interesting link best regards Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seaJane Posted 22 April , 2020 Author Share Posted 22 April , 2020 My pleasure. I'm helping someone off-forum with hospital ship research, so relevant things keep cropping up! sJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 19 August , 2021 Share Posted 19 August , 2021 On 13/02/2020 at 03:38, seaJane said: Two articles on the work of the SOUDAN giving dates and statistics in a fair amount of detail.: https://archive.org/details/JRNMSVOL1Images/page/n343/mode/2up https://archive.org/details/JRNMSVOL2Images/page/n215/mode/2up sJ Hi, Would you happen to know if something similar exists for the HS Nevasa? My GF in law was evacuated on that ship on 21 Oct 1915 from Anzac. Cheers, Jay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin DavidOwen Posted 19 August , 2021 Admin Share Posted 19 August , 2021 Nothing on archive.org that I can see Jay. There is a ship's log covering that period at TNA but not yet digitised https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C1733395. ( A later diary is digitised https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/1ee400f3c5984855ae70a8c38ed8981b) Not found anything in the Wellcome catalogue (where I found the Soudan logs) either. I presume you have seen this http://www.roll-of-honour.com/Ships/HMTroopshipNevasa.html Good hunting! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 19 August , 2021 Share Posted 19 August , 2021 DavidOwen - Thanks for having a go. I have not seen the roll of honour, so it is another item to add to my reference material. "There is a ship's log covering that period at TNA but not yet digitised https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C1733395." So tantalisingly close, but yet so far... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin DavidOwen Posted 19 August , 2021 Admin Share Posted 19 August , 2021 Always ask an independent researcher to copy the relevent pages for you - most are not that expensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seaJane Posted 19 August , 2021 Author Share Posted 19 August , 2021 1 hour ago, jay26thBn said: Hi, Would you happen to know if something similar exists for the HS Nevasa? My GF in law was evacuated on that ship on 21 Oct 1915 from Anzac. Cheers, Jay. I will check when I am in the office later, but I rather suspect not. Don't give up hope though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeZe Posted 26 July , 2022 Share Posted 26 July , 2022 Hi A medical staff time line for HMHS Soudan, Gallipoli period. I hope this is of use & may explain the apparently large number of surgeons on board Soudan. Unless I’m interpreting TNA ADM 104/92 p.587 incorrectly there were more surgeons on duty than would have been expected, probably due to the huge quantity of operations performed on board ship during the Gallipoli campaign. It also appears that surgeons were lent from the Malta Naval Hospital to Soudan. Regards ZeZe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alf mcm Posted 27 July , 2022 Share Posted 27 July , 2022 ZeZe, Williamina McIlwain's relief was Kathleen TOBIN {163/56}. The only other nurse I can find is Nettie {Janet} McLEAN {163/34}. I have 6 nurses who were on passage. Do you want their details? Regards, Alf McM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeZe Posted 27 July , 2022 Share Posted 27 July , 2022 Hi Alf McM, Thanks for finding Tobin & McLean, I'll put them on. Have to admit I didn't go through ADM-104-163 properly so that's very helpful. I will leave off the transit nurses on passage as they may confuse someone. Regards ZeZe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeZe Posted 13 August , 2022 Share Posted 13 August , 2022 Updated timeline, with additions thanks to Alf McM. Regards ZeZe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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