Guest Posted 12 February , 2020 Share Posted 12 February , 2020 I am trying to identify the regiment of Harry Wright who served in Egypt in 1916. I believe he was a regular soldier, enlisted prior to 1914. I have attached 3 photos, hope you can help me to tack down the career of my great grandfather Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 12 February , 2020 Share Posted 12 February , 2020 (edited) Rifle Brigade (RB) style badge, but no black buttons, so it perhaps leans towards a battalion of the London Regiment TF, with an RB style badge. That said there were notorious shortages of black buttons and many rifles units had to ‘make do’ with the GS pattern until supplies could be sourced, which sometimes took some time. He seems quite old and was probably a reservist and very likely posted to a Garrison battalion in the Middle East, so he could still be RB. If he had been an old regular reservist then the absence of medal ribbons on his jacket seems unusual. The 19th (Western) and 20th (Northern) Territorial Force battalions of the Rifle Brigade were sent to Egypt in 1916 as Garrison Battalions and he might well have been with one of them. According to the excellent, long long trail resource, the battalion’s: “were made up of supernumerary TF Companies, formed from National Reservists who were [initially] used for guarding vulnerable points in Great Britain.” Footnote: National Reservists were made up from former regular and auxiliary soldiers who were past military retirement age, but who had specifically volunteered to serve again in any capacity that the war office felt could make good use of their experience. NB. You can see similar ‘old’ soldiers in Egypt here: https://picclick.co.uk/WW1-Soldier-Group-Rifle-Brigade-Northumberland-Fusiliers-Egypt-153061055355.html My guess is that he was an old auxiliary soldier and either, a former rifle volunteer, or former militia man, which would explain the absence of medal ribbons on his uniform. Edited 12 February , 2020 by FROGSMILE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaeldr Posted 12 February , 2020 Share Posted 12 February , 2020 (edited) The Order of Battle for April 1916 shows 20th, 21st & 22nd Garrison Battalions Rifle Brigade in Egypt under Lines of Communication Defence Troops (Infantry) https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Egyptian_Expeditionary_Force Edited 12 February , 2020 by michaeldr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 12 February , 2020 Share Posted 12 February , 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, michaeldr said: The Order of Battle for April 1916 shows 20th, 21st & 22nd Garrison Battalions Rifle Brigade in Egypt under Lines of Communication Defence Troops (Infantry) https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Egyptian_Expeditionary_Force That’s interesting Michael. How accurate is Wikiwand, as the LLT refers only to the 19th and 20th Battalions as actual garrison troops in Egypt, and the other two battalions that you mentioned as passing through (in transit) on their way to India (perhaps to acclimatise, but I’m unsure)? Edited 12 February , 2020 by FROGSMILE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorporalPunishment Posted 12 February , 2020 Share Posted 12 February , 2020 The shoulder titles look more likely to be the plain RB of the Rifle Brigade than any of the much larger London Regiment ones. Pete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 12 February , 2020 Share Posted 12 February , 2020 (edited) 25 minutes ago, CorporalPunishment said: The shoulder titles look more likely to be the plain RB of the Rifle Brigade than any of the much larger London Regiment ones. Pete. Yes, Pete, I agree and that’s in part why I suggested that he is more likely to be 19th, or 20th RB. Edited 12 February , 2020 by FROGSMILE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie962 Posted 12 February , 2020 Share Posted 12 February , 2020 7 hours ago, Bob C said: I am trying to identify the regiment of Harry Wright who served in Egypt in 1916. I believe he was a regular soldier, enlisted prior to 1914. I have attached 3 photos, hope you can help me to tack down the career of my great grandfather If the OP would like to give us a bit of detail eg full name, date and place of birth then we can also search for records ? Charlie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stiletto_33853 Posted 12 February , 2020 Share Posted 12 February , 2020 Whats wrong with the 22nd?? they were in Egypt for sometime where they transhipped at Mudros and landed in Alexandria then went by train to Cairo where they were stationed in The Citadel performing garrison duties. Alexandria to Cyprus in April 1916, Lemnos then onto Salonika on 26th November. These Territorial battalions were supposed to wear a green "T" under the shoulder titles. Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grantowi Posted 12 February , 2020 Share Posted 12 February , 2020 Whats that written, bottom right of first photo ? Grant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 12 February , 2020 Share Posted 12 February , 2020 (edited) 32 minutes ago, stiletto_33853 said: Whats wrong with the 22nd?? they were in Egypt for sometime where they transhipped at Mudros and landed in Alexandria then went by train to Cairo where they were stationed in The Citadel performing garrison duties. Alexandria to Cyprus in April 1916, Lemnos then onto Salonika on 26th November. These Territorial battalions were supposed to wear a green "T" under the shoulder titles. Andy It was merely that the LLT made clear the 21st and 22nd were in transit, Andy. Only the 19th and 20th were permanent garrison it seems: “The Bns were posted for Garrison duty overseas in 1916. The 18th, 23rd and 24th went to India; 19th and 20th to Egypt. The 21st went to India via Egypt, and the 22nd Salonika via Egypt. The latter was attached to the 228th Brigade in 28th Division.” NB. The OP made clear that the gentleman concerned was “in” Egypt, which to me implied a lengthy stay. There was no mention of Salonika, or India, so I commented on that basis. Edited 12 February , 2020 by FROGSMILE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stiletto_33853 Posted 12 February , 2020 Share Posted 12 February , 2020 Valid point, apologies. We don't know anything about the man, one off picture in Egypt?? Some details might help us tie him down. Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 12 February , 2020 Share Posted 12 February , 2020 (edited) 37 minutes ago, stiletto_33853 said: Valid point, apologies. We don't know anything about the man, one off picture in Egypt?? Some details might help us tie him down. Andy Yes, Andy I agree. Hopefully the OP will return and add something more whilst acknowledging the responses made so far. Edited 12 February , 2020 by FROGSMILE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Atkins Posted 13 February , 2020 Share Posted 13 February , 2020 7 hours ago, grantowi said: Whats that written, bottom right of first photo ? Grant Looks like it ends in " - SSAN" or perhaps " - SSAR"? Final letter N, R or K possibly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 13 February , 2020 Share Posted 13 February , 2020 4 hours ago, Pat Atkins said: Looks like it ends in " - SSAN" or perhaps " - SSAR"? Final letter N, R or K possibly. I think it’s HASSAN, Pat. Apparently, in Arabic it means 'handsome' or 'good', or 'benefactor' and is a family surname. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Atkins Posted 13 February , 2020 Share Posted 13 February , 2020 Photographer's studio, perhaps? I couldn't see any obvious candidates for e.g. locations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Broomfield Posted 13 February , 2020 Share Posted 13 February , 2020 21 hours ago, FROGSMILE said: That’s interesting Michael. How accurate is Wikiwand, as the LLT refers only to the 19th and 20th Battalions as actual garrison troops in Egypt, and the other two battalions that you mentioned as passing through (in transit) on their way to India (perhaps to acclimatise, but I’m unsure)? EA James' book Historical Records of British Infantry Regiments in the Great War states that the 21st RB didn't go on to India until September 1918. 16 hours ago, FROGSMILE said: Yes, Andy I agree. Hopefully the OP will return and add something more whilst acknowledging the responses made so far. The OP was on line about 10 minutes before I wrote this so hopefully he'll come back and tell us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 13 February , 2020 Share Posted 13 February , 2020 5 hours ago, Pat Atkins said: Photographer's studio, perhaps? I couldn't see any obvious candidates for e.g. locations. Yes, I think it’s the studio too, Pat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 13 February , 2020 Share Posted 13 February , 2020 (edited) 23 hours ago, Steven Broomfield said: EA James' book Historical Records of British Infantry Regiments in the Great War states that the 21st RB didn't go on to India until September 1918. The OP was on line about 10 minutes before I wrote this so hopefully he'll come back and tell us. Thank you for the additional information regarding the 21st Battalion, Steven. I guess it’s possible that he was other than 19th/20th Battalion, but on balance I would have expected a family history recollection of more than just Egypt. Edited 14 February , 2020 by FROGSMILE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Broomfield Posted 14 February , 2020 Share Posted 14 February , 2020 15 hours ago, FROGSMILE said: Thank you for the additional information regarding the 21st Battalion, Steven. I guess it’s possible that he was other than 19th/20th Battalion, but on balance I would have expect a family history recollection of more than just Egypt. OP only says he was in Egypt in 1916, nothing more. Until he expands on anything, we won't know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 14 February , 2020 Share Posted 14 February , 2020 2 hours ago, Steven Broomfield said: OP only says he was in Egypt in 1916, nothing more. Until he expands on anything, we won't know. Precisely! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 14 February , 2020 Share Posted 14 February , 2020 Thank you all for your interest. I have very little information about Harry Wright, he was born in Ecclesall, Sheffield in early January 1869. Ge died in January 1931. I can not find any record of an early services record. Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Broomfield Posted 14 February , 2020 Share Posted 14 February , 2020 His age would certainly explain his presence in a Garrison Battalion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 14 February , 2020 Share Posted 14 February , 2020 (edited) As a National Reservist he had to have previous service, either as a regular or auxiliary. The volunteer force muster rolls seem a good start point. Edited 14 February , 2020 by FROGSMILE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 15 February , 2020 Share Posted 15 February , 2020 There is a tree on Ancestry for a man called Harry Vincent Wright, wife Cora dates and place of birth match. Bobc is this your man? George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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