Albert Bowler Posted 31 January , 2020 Share Posted 31 January , 2020 Hi, can anyone please help identify who this old officer in uniform might be please. I recognise most of the medals but not the uniform. From the medals, uniform & signature could anyone shine any light onto who it might be or at least what regiment he was from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForeignGong Posted 31 January , 2020 Share Posted 31 January , 2020 Hi At neck I think it is a KCMG, on chest L to R, DSO, not sure, QSA, KSA, 14 Star, 1911 Coro, French Legion of Honour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dai Bach y Sowldiwr Posted 31 January , 2020 Share Posted 31 January , 2020 Is the signature Curtice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aim Posted 31 January , 2020 Share Posted 31 January , 2020 The second medal could be a British South Africa Company's Medal - I believe there were three versions with the name of the appropriate campaign at the top of the reverse. If he has the Star I would have expected the British War and Victory medals, but officers had to apply for these so perhaps he thought he'd got enough medals (or indeed those medals hadn't been issued when the photograph was taken). aim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milner Posted 31 January , 2020 Share Posted 31 January , 2020 I think his rank is lieutenant colonel by the epaullets on his uniform. Not sure which regiment though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coldstreamer Posted 1 February , 2020 Share Posted 1 February , 2020 (edited) my thoughts CMG DSO BSA QSA KSA 1914 OR 15 star 1911 Durbar - Im sure they are larger than the 1911 medal ? Legion dnonneur Edited 1 February , 2020 by Coldstreamer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coldstreamer Posted 1 February , 2020 Share Posted 1 February , 2020 Albert, what do you think they are? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 1 February , 2020 Share Posted 1 February , 2020 (edited) There are a few clues to his identity, but I can’t make out the signature. His rank is Lieutenant Colonel as stated, and the aiguillette festooned from his shoulder indicates that he is an aide-de-camp to a senior personage (general officer, member of Royal Family, or representative of the Sovereign (e.g. GG of a Dominion)). His collar facing is of velvet, but there is no collar badge. The corps that had velvet facings were the Dragoon Guards (in various colours), the Royal Engineers (in dark blue but with a grenade collar badge), the RAMC (cherry with a wreathed collar badge), Indian Medical Service (in black but with a collar badge), the Army Veterinary Corps (in maroon) and the Queens Own (Royal West Kent) Regiment (in black with a collar badge). The shoulder cords appear to be of the ‘universal’ pattern used by the infantry and, of those mentioned above, just the medical and veterinary services. By elimination then, on balance it seems that the most likely corps is one of the latter, although the white piping at the top and front of the collar does not fit with that. Edited 1 February , 2020 by FROGSMILE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milner Posted 2 February , 2020 Share Posted 2 February , 2020 Op, Can we see more of the signature, the first part is "yours Ever" which has been shortend. The signature is slightly cropped, but could the first bit be "Sir". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aim Posted 2 February , 2020 Share Posted 2 February , 2020 My first thought was that the signature might begin Rev. Second thought Rusell Curbet. aim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coldstreamer Posted 2 February , 2020 Share Posted 2 February , 2020 I have debretts 1924 edition - assuming the DSO was awarded before the book was drafted (its very likely its ww1 or before) no one called Curbet in the companionage section Im surprised by this year he hasnt got the war and victory medal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelab Posted 2 February , 2020 Share Posted 2 February , 2020 Anything on the back, to give photographer name and location? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coldstreamer Posted 2 February , 2020 Share Posted 2 February , 2020 I have a possible in Maj Gen TA Cubitt due a medal Lapai and Anam 1898 - what medal is that ?? ignore him - no clasp on the medal so irrelevant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coldstreamer Posted 2 February , 2020 Share Posted 2 February , 2020 I think i have it R H L CUTBILL medals match - standby for more info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coldstreamer Posted 2 February , 2020 Share Posted 2 February , 2020 (edited) From Debretts 1924 Edited 2 February , 2020 by Coldstreamer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coldstreamer Posted 2 February , 2020 Share Posted 2 February , 2020 maybe as in India his medals where in the post ! 24 minutes ago, aim said: My first thought was that the signature might begin Rev. Second thought Rusell Curbet. aim credit due for pointing me in right direction Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milner Posted 2 February , 2020 Share Posted 2 February , 2020 From the London Gazzette 1896 4/A Battalion, the Royal Irish Rifles, The under-mentioned Second Lieutenants to be Lieutenants:—H. F. Montgomery. Dated 19th August,1896. R. H. L. Cutbill. Dated 19th August, 1896. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coldstreamer Posted 2 February , 2020 Share Posted 2 February , 2020 Him being Indian based explains my theory on the Durbar medal if its not him I will eat my bearskin! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coldstreamer Posted 2 February , 2020 Share Posted 2 February , 2020 From the Army list - doesnt mention 1911 medal mind https://digital.nls.uk/british-military-lists/archive/88137112 . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milner Posted 2 February , 2020 Share Posted 2 February , 2020 I think you have identified him Coldstream, well done that man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coldstreamer Posted 2 February , 2020 Share Posted 2 February , 2020 (edited) He was Indian Army in 1911/12 which explains the Durbar IMHO 2 minutes ago, Milner said: I think you have identified him Coldstream, well done that man. team effort Edited 2 February , 2020 by Coldstreamer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milner Posted 2 February , 2020 Share Posted 2 February , 2020 And a picture in "The Lord Roberts Memorial Fund Stamp album collection" over 130 stamps in the Lord Roberts collection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullerTurner Posted 2 February , 2020 Share Posted 2 February , 2020 On 01/02/2020 at 11:22, FROGSMILE said:here are a few clues to his identity, but I can’t make out the signature. His rank is Lieutenant Colonel as stated, and the aiguillette festooned from his shoulder indicates that he is an aide-de-camp to a senior personage (general officer, member of Royal Family, or representative of the Sovereign (e.g. GG of a Dominion)). His collar facing is of velvet, but there is no collar badge. The corps that had velvet facings were the Dragoon Guards (in various colours), the Royal Engineers (in dark blue but with a grenade collar badge), the RAMC (cherry with a wreathed collar badge), Indian Medical Service (in black but with a collar badge), the Army Veterinary Corps (in maroon) and the Queens Own (Royal West Kent) Regiment (in black with a collar badge). The shoulder cords appear to be of the ‘universal’ pattern used by the infantry and, of those mentioned above, just the medical and veterinary services. By elimination then, on balance it seems that the most likely corps is one of the latter, although the white piping at the top and front of the collar does not fit with that. I think the “white piping” is actually a “patrol collar” - a detachable shirt collar worn under certain orders of dress. And a bloody nuisance too! Especially on a hot day in blues! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 3 February , 2020 Share Posted 3 February , 2020 (edited) On 02/02/2020 at 20:17, BullerTurner said: I think the “white piping” is actually a “patrol collar” - a detachable shirt collar worn under certain orders of dress. And a bloody nuisance too! Especially on a hot day in blues! No I’m confident it’s not a patrol collar, Buller, although I can see why you thought of it (like you, it seems, I’ve worn them under blue patrol jacket collars). They protrude over only the top edge. Conversely, the white piping shown in his photograph also runs down the front of the collar join and then extends down the edge of the tunic join (as is normal), of which you can see the first few inches before it becomes obscured by the beginnings of his aiguillette cords. Although an RASC officer (assuming that it is ‘Cutbill) he is not wearing an RASC (blue with white collar and cuffs) tunic. It is a slight puzzle, but I believe that the tunic is scarlet with blue collar, which suggests that he must be wearing a post 1902 pattern uniform of the British-‘Indian Staff Corps’ (worn by British Indian Army (European) officers not at regimental duty, without collar badges - it was a standard infantry pattern uniform, but with dark blue facings as standard, and no collar badges). If we can trace his career post WW1 it ought to be possible to ascertain what his role and associated uniform relates to. NB. Prior to 1902 each of the presidencies in India (Bengal, Bombay, Madras) had discrete Staff Corps whose uniforms differed only in buttons and waist belt clasp. But after Kitchener’s unification implementation of 1902 a single uniform was adopted as shown below. Edited 6 February , 2020 by FROGSMILE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coldstreamer Posted 12 February , 2020 Share Posted 12 February , 2020 I do wonder sometimes if people that ask questions even know or look to see the answers we provide.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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