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11464 John J Halliday Northumberland Fusiliers, later 151502 RE


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I am trying to trace my gt grandad he served with The Northumberland Fusiliers 13btn

John J Halliday later transferred to The RE due to injuries.

He was a coal minor from Burradon Tyne & Wear before joining up .

I would like any information, photos etc 

Thanks in advance 

Mark

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Welcome to the Forum Mark - I have edited the title of your post to make it more informative that might attract other contributors.

 

To get the ball rolling, there is a Medal Index Card for a John J Halliday with an NF service number of 11464 who was then later RE with service number 151502.

 

He entered France on 10/09/1915 and was entitled to the 1914-1915 Star, the British War Medal and the Victory Medal.

 

It seems likely this is your Great Grandfather.

 

I think MICs are free to view on Ancestry if you wish to see for yourself:

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/1262/30850_A000672-01745?pid=792095&backurl=https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?_phsrc%3DkVZ1071%26_phstart%3DsuccessSource%26usePUBJs%3Dtrue%26indiv%3D1%26dbid%3D1262%26gsfn%3Djohn%26gsln%3Dhalliday%26cp%3D0%26_F00061C3%3Droy*%20eng*%26new%3D1%26rank%3D1%26uidh%3Dhbo%26redir%3Dfalse%26msT%3D1%26gss%3Dangs-d%26pcat%3D39%26fh%3D4%26h%3D792095%26recoff%3D%26ml_rpos%3D5&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=kVZ1071&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true

 

Regards

 

Russ

 

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1 hour ago, RussT said:

Welcome to the Forum Mark - I have edited the title of your post to make it more informative that might attract other contributors.

 

To get the ball rolling, there is a Medal Index Card for a John J Halliday with an NF service number of 11464 who was then later RE with service number 151502.

 

He entered France on 10/09/1915 and was entitled to the 1914-1915 Star, the British War Medal and the Victory Medal.

 

It seems likely this is your Great Grandfather.

 

I think MICs are free to view on Ancestry if you wish to see for yourself:

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/1262/30850_A000672-01745?pid=792095&backurl=https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?_phsrc%3DkVZ1071%26_phstart%3DsuccessSource%26usePUBJs%3Dtrue%26indiv%3D1%26dbid%3D1262%26gsfn%3Djohn%26gsln%3Dhalliday%26cp%3D0%26_F00061C3%3Droy*%20eng*%26new%3D1%26rank%3D1%26uidh%3Dhbo%26redir%3Dfalse%26msT%3D1%26gss%3Dangs-d%26pcat%3D39%26fh%3D4%26h%3D792095%26recoff%3D%26ml_rpos%3D5&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=kVZ1071&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true

 

Regards

 

Russ

 

I think I can rule him out. There is a Western Front Association widows pension card for #11464 Halliday - shows that there he was James.

Craig

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3 minutes ago, RussT said:

Hi Craig

 

Is there any address information on the Pension Card?

 

Russ

Nope, unfortunately not. There's only the information in that snippet.

Craig

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6 minutes ago, RussT said:

Hi Craig

 

Is there any address information on the Pension Card?

 

Russ

The pension card is for a 12th Bn man, he should have had a service battalion prefix. Plain #11464 is the man, so your MIC appears correct.

 

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Craig

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Hi Mark,

 

Welcome to the forum.

 

His RE service number would appear to date from February 1916.

 

4 hours ago, Halliday 5863 said:

John J Halliday later transferred to The RE due to injuries

 

May I ask how you are sure about that? Service records exist for a couple of near number RE men...

 

151500 Dowthwaite - a miner by occupation, transferred from 13/Northumberland Fusiliers to 182 Tunnelling Company RE 23.2.1916; posted (182 Company) as 'Tunnellers Mate' 24.2.1916

 

151502

 

151506 Knaggs - a miner by occupation, transferred from 12/Northumberland Fusiliers to 182 Tunnelling Company RE 23.2.1916; posted (182 Company) as 'Tunnellers Mate' 24.2.1916

 

Albeit a very small sample size, that might point towards John being combed out of the infantry and transferred to a RE Tunnelling Company (not necessarily 182 Company though) due to his specialist trade skills.

 

Again, not exactly scientific, but looking at the RE service number range 1514**  to 1516**  for men who died, CWGC data shows their ('died with') units as:

image.png.bac8860b1bf8c86af0b052abda3d68c9.png

 

The point here is that his RE service number is likely to place him in a Tunnelling Company (rather than say a Field or Signal Company), but without other information you can't be sure of precisely which one.

 

 

3 hours ago, RussT said:

 

2 hours ago, ss002d6252 said:

I think I can rule him out. There is a Western Front Association widows pension card for #11464 Halliday - shows that there he was James.

 

 

I think that Graham Stewart's database on FMP helps to resolve the confusion...

 

First name(s) James
Last name Halliday
Birth place Newcastle
Residence Ashington
Enlistment year 1881-1920
Enlistment place Ashington
Service number 11464
Rank Private
Battalion 12th
Cause of discharge Died
Death year 1916
Death date 12/7/16
Place buried/memorial Thiepval Memorial,France
Notes 'A' Coy; MIA 12/7/16(Dec 16); Written as 12/11464 in MR
Source
SDGW;SGG;EL;WGR;MR

 

 

 

First name(s) John J
Last name Halliday
Enlistment year 1881-1920
Service number 11464
Rank Private
Battalion 13th
Transfer to/from To Royal Engineers
Discharge year 1919
Discharge date 15/1/19
Cause of discharge To Class 'Z' Army Reserve
Notes France-(10/9/1915); R.E. No.151502
Source
EBAY;MIC;14/15SR;REMR

 

 

… Same surname, given initial, and basic number, but one with a battalion prefix.

 

Regards

Chris

 

Edit:

I see that the confusion between the two men seems to have been resolved

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Thanks

 

It's news to me that the NF Service Battalions duplicated the (regular) number series and used a battalion prefix as the discriminator.

 

Russ

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On 19/01/2020 at 20:20, RussT said:

Thanks

 

It's news to me that the NF Service Battalions duplicated the (regular) number series and used a battalion prefix as the discriminator.

 

Russ

Hi Russ - Duplicate names weren't uncommon during the early days of recruitment and confusion would have been rife among the recruiting and clerical staff at the Depot, who would have given out the same number, thinking they were looking at the same named person. As time goes on and it becomes clear among both the individual himself, the staff and names on Battalion Orders that they aren't looking at the same person then the only way to solve it is add a Battalion prefix number.

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