Cliff Jeffery Posted 16 January , 2020 Share Posted 16 January , 2020 (edited) Hi All, I am looking for help to try and trace information on an "Edward Crofts". I have one of his medals (Victory Medal) from WW1 that was in a box along with my grandads. His service number was 202059 East Surrey Regiment. I have searched several sites and can only find another number (42213 Hertfordshire Regiment). I can find no other information on him but am unsure where to search next. Can anyone please help? Thanks Cliff. Edited 16 January , 2020 by Cliff Jeffery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gardenerbill Posted 16 January , 2020 Share Posted 16 January , 2020 Hi Cliff, There's a link at the top of the page to the parent site The Long Long Trail where you will find some useful information on researching a soldier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coldstreamer Posted 16 January , 2020 Share Posted 16 January , 2020 (edited) welcome to the forum the medal index card confirms he is due a British war medal as well Edited 16 January , 2020 by Coldstreamer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff Jeffery Posted 16 January , 2020 Author Share Posted 16 January , 2020 Thank you for the replies. I will take a look at the long long trail, it looks interesting. Coldstreamer, I have this record but I can get no further, as I can't find any other details. I don't know his age, where he was born or anything. I am not sure why it was with my grandads medals, I have tried searching ancestry to see if he was one of my grandads uncles or some other relative but can find anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coldstreamer Posted 16 January , 2020 Share Posted 16 January , 2020 unfortunately unless someone has a unique name , which he doesn't, with out service papers you will struggle are you grandads medals ww1? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff Jeffery Posted 16 January , 2020 Author Share Posted 16 January , 2020 No, my grandads medals are WW2. I can't find anything in the national archives using his service numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coldstreamer Posted 16 January , 2020 Share Posted 16 January , 2020 I think there might be some sort of register for the East Surreys ? Sure some else might confirm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff Jeffery Posted 16 January , 2020 Author Share Posted 16 January , 2020 OK. Thanks for your replies Coldstreamer, it is much appreciated. I will see if I can find any sort of register(s). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coldstreamer Posted 16 January , 2020 Share Posted 16 January , 2020 i found it... he isnt on it?! maybe change the title of the post to include the regiments to draw the experts in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff Jeffery Posted 16 January , 2020 Author Share Posted 16 January , 2020 mmmm... Maybe I need to search Heartfordshire regiment. Could it possibly have took over a territorial regiment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coldstreamer Posted 16 January , 2020 Share Posted 16 January , 2020 the medal roll might tell you something - they are on ancestry and at the national archives - I dont have access to either sorry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff Jeffery Posted 16 January , 2020 Author Share Posted 16 January , 2020 Bedfordshire and Hertfordshire Regiment is also mentioned. see attached. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coldstreamer Posted 16 January , 2020 Share Posted 16 January , 2020 so you dont fall foul of the rules you need to give credit to where you got the pics from ie courtesy of Ancestry etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff Jeffery Posted 16 January , 2020 Author Share Posted 16 January , 2020 Hi Coldstreamer. I'm new to this and forgot, thanks for the reminder Ironically I did get them from ancestry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clk Posted 16 January , 2020 Share Posted 16 January , 2020 (edited) Hi Cliff, Welcome to the forum. His 202059 East Surrey Regiment number is associated with the 1917 TF renumber block associated with the line units of the 5th Bn - link. Prior to being issued with a new six digit number, he would have had a shorter (probably four digit) regimental number. The medal rolls only contain details relevant to the issue of medals, rather than giving a complete service history. As a shorter number isn't shown, the implication is that he didn't serve overseas until some time after he was issued with his 6 digit number. Most commonly TF units seem to have issued their 6 digit units numbers based sequentially on their previous shorter regimental numbers. Some papers exist for a 202058 White, which show that he was originally mobilised on 8.9.1916. With respect to his 42213 Hertfordshire Regiment number, 42210 Smith and 42216 Copeman both appear to have been compulsory transfers 25.8.1918. 2 hours ago, Cliff Jeffery said: my grandads medals are WW2. I can't find anything in the national archives using his service numbers. As this is a WW1 related forum, it might be worth considering joining/posting on WW2Talk - link. What's left of his (probably heavily weeded) service file should be held by the MoD, rather than the National Archives. If you would like a copy there is advice on how to go about it here, and a helpdesk phone number here. Good luck Regards Chris Edited 16 January , 2020 by clk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff Jeffery Posted 16 January , 2020 Author Share Posted 16 January , 2020 Hi Chris, wow, this is great info. I will take a good look at the links and see if I can grasp the concepts. I will join the WW2 forum as well as I have my gradads and my great grandads history to research. Thanks Cliff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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