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Sgt William Williams N0. 5919 - 202862. KIA 03/09/1916

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DaveC

Hi Everybody

   Seeking information on Sgt William Williams No.591 - 202862 1/4th Bn Duke of Wellington's Regiment, KIA 03/09/1916, Born Stranton Durham, Enlisted West Hartlepool.    Any information most welcome.    Kindest Regards DaveC

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Matlock1418

Thanks to the Western Front Association / Ancestry (Fold3) there are some pension records under his two numbers =  2 x PC and 1 x PL

Under William and William Arthur [full name as per CWGC]

His mother, Frances Jane, at same address as CWGC seems to have died in 1934

 

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DaveC

Hi Matlock

  Many thanks for your reply, I had a look on Ancestry but could not find Fold 3, and I'm not  a member of the Western Front Association, i'll try again on Ancestry to see if I can find his pension records.   Kindest Regards DaveC

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Matlock1418

They are on WFA or Fold3 (which is separate specialist part of Ancestry = extra money!)

Selected the date of death of his mother as a new little fact as only a small bit more of extra info on the Pension records. The rest you have.

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Don Regiano
DaveC

Hi Matlock and Don

    now I know where to look, I'm sure I will be able to find the pension records you mention matlock.   Don many thanks for your reply and time, , I have all the relevant war diaries relating to the attack on 03/09/1916. I'm just trying to clear up some casualties for that date.     Kindest Regards DaveC.  

     

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Hi DaveC, 

 

On 13/01/2020 at 21:19, DaveC said:

Any information most welcome

 

William left a will - see here.

 

Soldiers' Effects record (Ancestry link) raises a slight question about his precise fate...

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… ' on or since...death presumed'

 

202862 is a 1917 TF renumber associated with the line units of the 4th Bn (link). Presumably he was renumbered from 5919 despite being killed in September 1916 as the army was still administrating his affairs in 1917 - his Soldiers' Effects record indicates that the first money order (outstanding pay) wasn't issued to his mother until November 1917.

 

From surviving papers of near number West Riding Regiment men:

 

5910/202856 Smithson - transferred to West Riding Regiment 9.6.1916

????/202859 Sheldon -  transferred to West Riding Regiment 9.6.1916

5919/202862

5924/202866 Elenor - transferred to West Riding Regiment 9.6.1916

5935/202877 Brown - transferred to West Riding Regiment 9.6.1916

 

His medal roll record (Ancestry link) shows prior overseas service with 1/East Yorks as number 10136

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Under his 10136 East Yorks number the medal rolls (link) show...

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The Battalion war diary (link) says that they arrived off St Nazaire on 9th September 1914, and disembarked the following day. So it would seem that William was an early reinforcement.

 

Looking at his East Yorks number...

 

10125 Richardson - attested 9.12.1913

10126 Smelt* - attested 12.12.1913

10136

10143 Harber - attested 2.1.1914

10146 Threader - attested 5.1.1914

 

*Interestingly his service file (link) and Star Roll (link) show...

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With the same disembarkment dates it looks like both Smelt and Williams may have been part of replacement draft taken from the 3rd Battalion. The record for Smelt says that he embarked  for the 1st Bn at Southampton on 9.11.1914, and joined them in the field ('from base') on 19.11.1914.

 

It seems that William was wounded at least once prior to his death - early/mid September 1915 ??

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Image sourced from Findmypast

 

Regards

Chris

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DaveC

Hi Chris, Wow.

    Thank you so much for your outstanding research I can't thank you enough.   Kindest Regards DaveC

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