Robert1960 Posted 31 December , 2019 Share Posted 31 December , 2019 Hi I'm trying to find my grandfather's service number his name was Percy nott 601 RFA I know this as it is on his marriage certificate from 1916 so i can get replacement medals with the right details thanks robert meredith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert1960 Posted 31 December , 2019 Author Share Posted 31 December , 2019 Dose anybody have any information on this unit which my grandfather's served in around 1916 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Clifton Posted 31 December , 2019 Share Posted 31 December , 2019 Hello Robert, and welcome to the Forum! I cannot trace any RFA battery or brigade numbered 601, or anything close to that, in the Great War. There were some batteries RA numbered in the low 600s in 1944/45, a few reserve batteries RFA were given fresh numbers in the low 500s during the Great War, and some Territorial batteries in India were renumbered in the low 1000s in 1917. What is your source tor "601 RFA"? Ron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie962 Posted 31 December , 2019 Share Posted 31 December , 2019 Robert, welcome to the Forum; You have also posted on the another thread and I have suggested to Moderators that it would be best all kept here in one place to avoid duplicate effort. The only P Nott of the Artillery that I have found so far is a no 831550 but don't assume it is him; This man was born c 1893 and enlisting in 1915 seems to have gone to the Middle East 1916. Where was your GF from and when was he born ? charlie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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charlie962 Posted 31 December , 2019 Share Posted 31 December , 2019 (edited) Thanks David. The P Nott I note above from a Hospital Admission record seems to be Percy Knott 2594/831550 Are you sure on spelling of his name ? I now find the same man has Pension records under Percy Nott !!! So 831550 may be your man if he came from 15 Victoria Terrace Tredegar, born 1893 There's another address for same man- 45 Wrentham St Birmingham Charlie Edited 31 December , 2019 by charlie962 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin DavidOwen Posted 31 December , 2019 Admin Share Posted 31 December , 2019 12 minutes ago, charlie962 said: The P Nott I note above from a Hospital Admission record seems to be Percy Knott 2594/831550 The FMP 1918 Medical Reord has him as Nott and that is what is on the original image, listed as "Shell Shock" FMP link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie962 Posted 31 December , 2019 Share Posted 31 December , 2019 (edited) David, I'd added a footnote on my last post since I find the Pension Cards say Nott agreeing with Hospital Admissions but the MIC and SWB cards say Knott. All the same man. charlie PS Pension cards add a bit more about stammering and nervous anxiety. Edited 31 December , 2019 by charlie962 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTracer44 Posted 31 December , 2019 Share Posted 31 December , 2019 From FreeBmd, marriage, March, 1916, Percy Nott = Doris Inwood, Birmingham, 6d 470. Den Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin DavidOwen Posted 31 December , 2019 Admin Share Posted 31 December , 2019 45 minutes ago, charlie962 said: David, I'd added a footnote on my last post since I find the Pension Cards say Nott agreeing with Hospital Admissions but the MIC and SWB cards say Knott. All the same man. charlie PS Pension cards add a bit more about stammering and nervous anxiety. Apologies Charlie! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert1960 Posted 31 December , 2019 Author Share Posted 31 December , 2019 Thanks for everyone's help I did ask my mother before she died last year aged 91 about her farther .Yes we are from the birmingham area she told me he had something to do with being in India before the war my mom said he had something to do with artillery and horses but looking at his marriage certificate it says 601 RFA as in pic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert1960 Posted 31 December , 2019 Author Share Posted 31 December , 2019 I have just checked Percy Notts birth certificate he was born 1893 as in pic and in balsall heath Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert1960 Posted 31 December , 2019 Author Share Posted 31 December , 2019 My mother also told me he suffered from shell shock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert1960 Posted 31 December , 2019 Author Share Posted 31 December , 2019 He married Doris inwood my grandmother and sister of George in wood a fireman who recieved the George cross and died in the blitz of Birmingham in ww2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clk Posted 31 December , 2019 Share Posted 31 December , 2019 Hi Robert, 2 hours ago, Robert1960 said: I'm trying to find my grandfather's service number his name was Percy nott 601 RFA I know this as it is on his marriage certificate from 1916 Rather than a unit, I wonder if 601 might be a pre 1917 TF service number. If it were, and he didn't serve overseas until being renumbered, the medal rolls, etc may only show him against his 'new' number. I presume this is his 1916 marriage... ...and this is his daughter, Irene.. ...which in the 1939 Register points towards... All images sourced from Ancestry Given his DoB, the 1911 census (Ancestry link) appears to show Percy (born in Balshall Heath) living with his father at 70 Upper Cox Street, Balshall Heath, (Registration District of Kings Norton) Birmingham. The point of all this being that whilst not digitalised, Birmingham City Council (link) appear to have a copy of the 1918 Absent Voters List for the district of Kings Norton on microfilm. Image sourced from Birmingham City Council Fingers crossed, Percy may possibly appear on the list along with his then number/unit. It seems that Midlands Historical Data (link) have produced a searchable version of the list, but the full version is only available to view by subscription, or free via Birmingham libraries. Regards Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Strawbridge Posted 1 January , 2020 Share Posted 1 January , 2020 (edited) 21 hours ago, Robert1960 said: Hi I'm trying to find my grandfather's service number his name was Percy nott 601 RFA I know this as it is on his marriage certificate from 1916 so i can get replacement medals with the right details thanks robert meredith Please don't. If you do not have the original medals some modern ones will never replace them. Modern replacements are really a poor substitute and never quite look right. Edited 1 January , 2020 by Jim Strawbridge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie962 Posted 1 January , 2020 Share Posted 1 January , 2020 (edited) 20 hours ago, clk said: Rather than a unit, I wonder if 601 might be a pre 1917 TF service number. If it were, and he didn't serve overseas until being renumbered, the medal rolls, etc may only show him against his 'new' number. That would seem logical. But the pre1917 TF for the man I have been proposing was 2594 per his MIC. The SWB tells us that 2594/831550 enlisted 10/5/15. He would surely not have had 2 different RFA numbers between 10/5/15 and his going overseas From what Robert has now posted and you clever diggers have found I feel confident we are talking about the man I refer to in my earlier posts, ie 2594/831550 Percy Nott (or Knot on MIC/SWB) -Birth 1893 -Birmingham origins (although addresses on Pension haven't yet matched with 1939register or Marriage Cert-perhaps 1919 birth Cert or electoral rolls can clinch ?) -A Jan 1916 marriage would not contradict the Hospital Admission of June 1918 'completed years with Field Force -2'; To me it would suggest he got married just before going overseas ? -Shellshock So addresses seem to be the key item to match up; I note that without the Western Front Pension Cards we would have been unable to prove or disprove this candidate. Charlie Edited 1 January , 2020 by charlie962 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie962 Posted 1 January , 2020 Share Posted 1 January , 2020 (edited) The 1921 Electoral Roll for 45 Wrentham St B'ham (= Pension Card address) has a Percy Nott; The other register voter occupants are Walter and Leah Benbow. If he's on his own this casts doubt on my candidate ? Edit Of course in depends on Doris's age; I'd forgotten that it was women over 30 who got the vote from 1918 and they were not given it from a younger age until the 1928 act. So Doris didn't crack 30 until June 1926. I don't see her appearing on Electoral Rolls until 1929 along with Percy at 70 Upper Cox st Balsall. Edited 1 January , 2020 by charlie962 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Porter Posted 1 January , 2020 Share Posted 1 January , 2020 8 hours ago, charlie962 said: The SWB tells us that 2594/831550 enlisted 10/5/15. He would surely not have had 2 different RFA numbers between 10/5/15 and his going overseas Yes, it is possible for the TF to have two numbers before going overseas. I would say that his 2594 number was with 2/3rd South Midland Brigade RFA. Then at some point before November 1915 he was transferred to 2/1st South Midland Divisional Ammunition Column. He was then given a new number of 601 which he retained through his marriage. He was then selected to go to France in March 1916 to form D/241 (Folkestone - Boulogne on March 24, 1916) and given yet another number of 3885 which was translated into 831550 on renumbering in 1917. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie962 Posted 1 January , 2020 Share Posted 1 January , 2020 10 minutes ago, David Porter said: Yes, it is possible for the TF to have two numbers before going overseas. I would say that his 2594 number was with 2/3rd South Midland Brigade RFA. Then at some point before November 1915 he was transferred to 2/1st South Midland Divisional Ammunition Column. He was then given a new number of 601 which he retained through his marriage. He was then selected to go to France in March 1916 to form D/241 (Folkestone - Boulogne on March 24, 1916) and given yet another number of 3885 which was translated into 831550 on renumbering in 1917. And all this will be explained in your new book ? As I said, WoW!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert1960 Posted 2 January , 2020 Author Share Posted 2 January , 2020 I would really thank all the people involved sho sent me messages and information it seems I have a good amount of information to be able to trace where he went I cannot thank you all enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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