stevenbecker Posted 20 December , 2019 Share Posted 20 December , 2019 Mates, I was trying to find which or who this man was? A document on the Ottoman 14th Air Company Tayyare Boluk shown a Capt Prince de Saxe being ToS March 1918 in Palestine/Syria He is shown as an Observer, but no other details? Is there any records of a Prince de Saxe being an airman? All checks throws up all different names for any one named Saxe including the British connection? Hopefully you can sort this out? I did notice he is just one of some other German Princes in Turkey; Reuss Prince Heinrich LtzS Marine Guidance officer and submarine blocking troops in Canakkale with the Niedermayer–Hentig Expedition to Afghanistan Hohenlohe-Langenburg Prince zu Ambassador T/German Ambassador to Turkey (Baron von Wangenheim sick) S.B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Lowrey Posted 21 December , 2019 Share Posted 21 December , 2019 Will look into Prinz de Saxe. There were three Heinrich, Prinz Reuss with connections to the German navy. The one referenced would be Heinrich XXXVII Prinz Reuß zu Köstritz, who also commanded a U-boat during the war: https://uboat.net/wwi/men/commanders/250.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Lowrey Posted 21 December , 2019 Share Posted 21 December , 2019 A quick check of the Ehrenrangliste produces several possibilities. All were captains (Hauptmann or Rittmeister) at the end of the war: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Christian,_Margrave_of_Meissen — per Wikipedia, definitely was in Turkey for a time during the war https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Ernst_Heinrich_of_Saxony https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georg,_Prince_of_Saxe-Meiningen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaeldr Posted 21 December , 2019 Share Posted 21 December , 2019 Up to now I have not so far been able to trace anything on the Prince de Saxe Though this fellow 14 hours ago, stevebecker said: Hohenlohe-Langenburg Prince zu Ambassador T/German Ambassador to Turkey (Baron von Wangenheim sick) may well be the one seen here with von Kressenstein https://www.loc.gov/resource/ppmsca.13709/?sp=96 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Lowrey Posted 21 December , 2019 Share Posted 21 December , 2019 The Prinz zu Hohenlohe-Langenburg would presumably be this guy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_II,_Prince_of_Hohenlohe-Langenburg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rolt968 Posted 21 December , 2019 Share Posted 21 December , 2019 14 hours ago, Michael Lowrey said: Will look into Prinz de Saxe. There were three Heinrich, Prinz Reuss with connections to the German navy. The one referenced would be Heinrich XXXVII Prinz Reuß zu Köstritz, who also commanded a U-boat during the war: https://uboat.net/wwi/men/commanders/250.html I wonder if there was any connection to the Princess Ruess from my earlier thread: RM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaeldr Posted 21 December , 2019 Share Posted 21 December , 2019 (edited) Very few details indeed to be found in O Nikolajsen's Ottoman Aviation 1909-1919 and what little there is, is alas none too clear In Chapter 8 - Capt Prince de Sax (sic) is listed under 14ncü Tayyare Bölük as an Observer (p.124) And in Chapter 15 on p.264 there is Capt Prince von Saxen (sic) listed as an Observer arrived 1918 In Chapter 15 – Capt Prince Hohenlohe is listed as an Observer arrived 1917 (p.264) [However there is also Lt. Hohenlohe (sic) listed serving in FA 300 as Observer from September 1916 (p.267)] Edited 21 December , 2019 by michaeldr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b3rn Posted 21 December , 2019 Share Posted 21 December , 2019 Steve, you mention a document. Can you give more details on your source? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 21 December , 2019 Share Posted 21 December , 2019 (edited) Mate, yes Micheal hit the nail on the head, with the records given by Nikolajsen. Thats why I wondered who he may be? While I have not seen the book, other people have listed those men in the 14th Air Company on the net. I hope to read the book after I get it a Christmas? RM, Yes the sister (I think) is shown in my DB as; Reuss Brigitte Nurse Princess att Ottoman Red Cross (Cresant) hosp She is one of a number of ranking women who came to Turkey as Nurses like; Hohenlohe-Ingelfingen Maria Agnes Amelie Elise zu Kr. Schwester / Nurse Sister Unknown Medical unit Wechmar Veronika von Nurse Baroness att Ottoman Red Cross (Cresant) hosp Gagern Elisabeth von Rot-Kreuz Schwester / Nurse Sister part tour to the PoW camps in Russia together with Gen Mathilde Freiin von Horn - Erika von Passow & Magdalene von Walsleben & Oberin Emma von Bülow Micheal, Yes I am just as confussed, I have this man in the GAS; Hohenlohe-Ohringen Prinz Friedrich von ObLt Observer Airforce shown att 6 Sqn Tayyare Boluk 1916 to Jasta 300 4-16 1916-17 from OsFA 1 - shown obsver to Lt Meinecke (Fokker staffel ) early 1916 RTG 11-16 (not identified) I wonder if they are the same man? I do show a number of Germans who came back for a second tour in the Ottoman/German air service during the war, I wonder if thats this bloke? By the way as above another Prince Bayern Georg Prinz von Maj to Col staff to Von Falkenhayn Yildirim Army Just for a laugh this bloke is and is not a Prinz? Prinz Walter Gefr 146th Regt - 2Bn - 5Co - Infanterie-Regiment 146 1917-18 shown WIA & PoW 30-9-18 Cheers S.B Edited 21 December , 2019 by stevebecker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rolt968 Posted 22 December , 2019 Share Posted 22 December , 2019 18 hours ago, stevebecker said: RM, Yes the sister (I think) is shown in my DB as; Reuss Brigitte Nurse Princess att Ottoman Red Cross (Cresant) hosp She is one of a number of ranking women who came to Turkey as Nurses like; Hohenlohe-Ingelfingen Maria Agnes Amelie Elise zu Kr. Schwester / Nurse Sister Unknown Medical unit Wechmar Veronika von Nurse Baroness att Ottoman Red Cross (Cresant) hosp Gagern Elisabeth von Rot-Kreuz Schwester / Nurse Sister part tour to the PoW camps in Russia together with Gen Mathilde Freiin von Horn - Erika von Passow & Magdalene von Walsleben & Oberin Emma von Bülow Micheal, Thank you, Michael. That is interesting. I now have possibles for all of Cassells's prisoners. RM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWK Posted 22 December , 2019 Share Posted 22 December , 2019 22 hours ago, stevebecker said: Yes I am just as confussed, I have this man in the GAS; Hohenlohe-Ohringen Prinz Friedrich von ObLt Observer Airforce shown att 6 Sqn Tayyare Boluk 1916 to Jasta 300 4-16 1916-17 from OsFA 1 - shown obsver to Lt Meinecke (Fokker staffel ) early 1916 RTG 11-16 (not identified) I wonder if they are the same man? There were 4 Hohenlohe-Öhringen princes, with Friedrich as one of their first names, alive at that time, which narrows it down a bit: Hugo Friedrich, *Slawentzitz 26.9.1864, +Berlin-Lichterfelde 31.10.1928 Wilhelm Friedrich Karl Gottfried Kraft, *Koschentin 8.11.1879, +Graz 11.7.1960 Kraft Friedrich Karl, *Dresden 16.3.1892, +Rome 2.9.1965 Max Hugo Paul Friedrich Karl Egon, *Berlin 25.3.1893, +Schrozberg 17.10.1951 http://genealogy.euweb.cz/hlohe/hlohe5.html#FL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 22 December , 2019 Share Posted 22 December , 2019 JWK, Mate interesting, I also saw two others named August (Born in Spain) and Waldemar from the Gardes du Corps. Cheers S.B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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