POW record - what does this say ?

[Coldstreamer]

Hello

 

Cpl Powell of the Coldstream Gds was taken POW in early 1915. On his ICRC record is this note, what does it say ?

 

cheers

 

 

Edited 19 December , 2019 by Coldstreamer

[Chris_Baker]

I make it "Shot with bullet back and hand." Possibly left hand.

 

Edited 19 December , 2019 by Chris_Baker

[Matlock1418]

Can you share the ICRC link?

Can't find the actual ICRC record to see more - is this found in the same column as/under under date and place of capture?

Without seeing a bit more of the record it is even hard[er] for me as a very non-fluent/proficient german speaker [!] - but I think it looks like the description of injury at time of capture [a bit more specific than vervundet / unvervundet - wounded / unwounded

G[ross} Sch[uss] Rucken, L[inks]  & Hand perhaps - which I think is a form of large gunshot wound to joint of left hand

OK I'm guessing quite a lot but ... might just be ;-) 

 

Edit: We crossed but I now think Chris might actually be closer with Rucken = Back - but we both seem to hazard upon schuss / gunshot and hand / hand.

I now think that is an ampersand [&] and not L so possibly not specified on this record - might be on others.

 

Edited 19 December , 2019 by Matlock1418
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[Coldstreamer]

my gut feeling was gun shot wound but couldnt tie in the German- Ill find the link again

[charlie2]

Granaten Schuß, Rücken und linke Hand ˋ= „Shrapnel“ wound to back and left hand.

Charlie

[Coldstreamer]

https://grandeguerre.icrc.org/en/List/3655166/698/8217/

 

thanks all so far 

[Matlock1418]

1 minute ago, charlie2 said:

Granaten Schuß

Thanks Charlie,

Now there writes someone who seems likely to know according to his location!

That will teach us english-only speakers / non-german speakers! ;-) :-)

Will have to put that in my little book of translations for exactly such purposes

Shrapnel eh? or very loosely/roughly "Grenade Shot" I guess

Not sure about left hand - think that is just hand.

Coldstreamer has his answer regardless!

 

 

[Coldstreamer]

his papers say right hand, neck and shoulder

 

always nice to get other opinions and this is the place!

[charlie2]

4 minutes ago, Matlock1418 said:

Thanks Charlie,

Now there writes someone who seems likely to know according to his location!

That will teach us english-only speakers / non-german speakers! ;-) :-)

Will have to put that in my little book of translations for exactly such purposes

Shrapnel eh? or very loosely/roughly "Grenade Shot" I guess

Not sure about left hand - think that is just hand.

Coldstreamer has his answer regardless!

 

 

Literally translated Grenade shot but means Shrapnel or shell splinter. Shell splinters are sometimes, wrongly, referred to as shrapnel, thats why shrapnel is in „“

 

There is most definitely an „l“ before hand so left hand. His papers will be correct as to left or right.

 

Bullet wounds are normally abbreviated as G.G. or Gew. G. = Gewehr Geschoß

Charle

[Chris_Baker]

How about Gewehr Schuß? Hence my stab at bullet rather than shrapnel.

[Coldstreamer]

Papers usually are quite specific but on this occasion it just says wounds - I assume because he was a POW it couldnt be precise or was completed after the war.

 

 He continued to serve until 1933 the rejoined and served in WW2 - interestingly his father was a prison warder and he himself was based at the Tower of London during WW2 at the POW collecting centre. I wonder how a man who was ill treated as a POW in ww1 managed as the captor not the captive ?