brianmorris547 Posted 13 December , 2019 Share Posted 13 December , 2019 (edited) My interest in 1149 Richard Jones, RND (Engineers) began when I noticed the attached report of his death in Gallipoli that appeared in the Bolton Journal 20/08/1915. He lived in the next street but one to my grandfather, was 18 months younger and both worked at the same Plumbers business named in the report. They must have known each other. I have looked at the RND Gallipoli WDs on Ancestry but I have only seen Sappers referred to in the RND Signals Company. Casualties are named but I found no trace of Spr Jones. A number check on FMP brought up his record under Royal Marines which shows that he was born on 11/02/1889 and enlisted on 09/02/1915 in Manchester. He was born in Daubhill, Bolton and was a pipe fitter by trade. It confirms the newspaper report that he was k in a on 22/07/1915. The card says D Dead which I presume is declared dead. If anyone can give any further info on his death or on the work of the RND Engineers in Gallipoli I would be grateful. I have tried the search facility and TLLT. I will try CWGC. Thank you Brian EDIT: CWGC just shows Helles Memorial, Royal Marines. I will try and see if I can find out the Unit that A M Connolly was CO of. Edited 13 December , 2019 by brianmorris547 additional info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tootrock Posted 13 December , 2019 Share Posted 13 December , 2019 In Royal Navy documents D.D. means "Discharged, Dead". Martin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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horatio2 Posted 14 December , 2019 Share Posted 14 December , 2019 (edited) 17 hours ago, brianmorris547 said: I will try and see if I can find out the Unit that A M Connolly was CO of. A tricky one. Major Arthur Matthew CONNOLLY was an officer of the Reserve of Officers of the Royal Marines. He had served in HMS JUPITER early in the war but had been demobilised in March 1915. My best guess is that he was subsequently employed at the Depot RMLI, Deal. Where he was probably dealing with the admin of the men of the RNDE. Hence his signature on the ledger record. 17 hours ago, brianmorris547 said: I have looked at the RND Gallipoli WDs on Ancestry but I have only seen Sappers referred to in the RND Signals Company. Casualties are named but I found no trace of Spr Jones. Only the war diary of No.1 Field Coy RNDE survives (with that of the Signal Coy you have found), It is in ADM 137/3069 at Kew. Unfortunately Sapper JONES was in No.3 Field Coy. He was one of four RND k.i.a. on 22 July 1915 and the only man of the RNDE. There was no major action on that date so he was probably a victim of shrapnel or sniping. Edited 14 December , 2019 by horatio2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaeldr Posted 14 December , 2019 Share Posted 14 December , 2019 Like Major Connolly, you can also skip a search for Lt Comdr Randall Wells (mentioned in the newspaper) as I understand he was with the UK based records and not involved on the ground at Gallipoli Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horatio2 Posted 14 December , 2019 Share Posted 14 December , 2019 10 minutes ago, michaeldr said: Like Major Connolly, you can also skip a search for Lt Comdr Randall Wells (mentioned in the newspaper) as I understand he was with the UK based records and not involved on the ground at Gallipoli Spot on. He ran the RND Records Office, 47 Victoria Street, London SW. Most Gallipoli casualty notification letters were signed by him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaeldr Posted 14 December , 2019 Share Posted 14 December , 2019 There is a v very brief over view of the RND Engineers here in Blumberg's 'Britain's Sea Soldiers' https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=wu.89100004282&view=1up&seq=521 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianmorris547 Posted 14 December , 2019 Author Share Posted 14 December , 2019 8 hours ago, horatio2 said: A tricky one. Major Arthur Matthew CONNOLLY was an officer of the Reserve of Officers of the Royal Marines. He had served in HMS JUPITER early in the war but had been demobilised in March 1915. My best guess is that he was subsequently employed at the Depot RMLI, Deal. Where he was probably dealing with the admin of the men of the RNDE. Hence his signature on the ledger record. Only the war diary of No.1 Field Coy RNDE survives (with that of the Signal Coy you have found), It is in ADM 137/3069 at Kew. Unfortunately Sapper JONES was in No.3 Field Coy. He was one of four RND k.i.a. on 22 July 1915 and the only man of the RNDE. There was no major action on that date so he was probably a victim of shrapnel or sniping. horatio2 Thank you. I guessed that A M Connolly might be in an admin role. How do you know that Spr Jones was in No 3 FC. I am not familiar with Naval research. Is there something similar to SDGW. 6 hours ago, michaeldr said: There is a v very brief over view of the RND Engineers here in Blumberg's 'Britain's Sea Soldiers' https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=wu.89100004282&view=1up&seq=521 michaeldr Thank you for the link. His period of training would have been short if he enlisted in February 1915 and arrived in Gallipoli in May. I will check the Bolton papers again, it seems strange that he enlisted in Manchester (if that is what the R 23 says) and not Bolton. My gf enlisted into the County Palatine RE in March 1915 at Bolton Town Hall and recruiting for the West Lancs Div RE (TF) was also in progress. All interesting stuff Brian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie962 Posted 14 December , 2019 Share Posted 14 December , 2019 I note two of his brothers also died: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horatio2 Posted 14 December , 2019 Share Posted 14 December , 2019 2 hours ago, brianmorris547 said: How do you know that Spr Jones was in No 3 FC. The information in his Attesation Pack gives this detail which has been carried forward to the RND Roll of Honour (Findmy past). The Attestation Pack of documents for the RNDE service of Sapper Jones is held in the archive of the Fleet Air Arm Museum (National Museum of the Royal Navy). The pack will have more details of his service including JONES' RNDE Record Card. Annoyingly, the NMRN is not accepting any enquiries at present and is unlikely to be able to provide copies of records until the middle of 2020 (at earliest?). Worth a follow-up next year? 2 hours ago, brianmorris547 said: it seems strange that he enlisted in Manchester (if that is what the R 23 says) and not Bolton. There was perhaps no RN/RM recruiting office in Bolton, Manchester being the nearest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianmorris547 Posted 15 December , 2019 Author Share Posted 15 December , 2019 horatio2 Thank you. Brian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horatio2 Posted 15 December , 2019 Share Posted 15 December , 2019 11 hours ago, horatio2 said: There was perhaps no RN/RM recruiting office in Bolton, Manchester being the nearest. The Navy List confirms that there was no Bolton Recruiting Office for RN and RM. The Manchester office was at 289 Deansgate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianmorris547 Posted 15 December , 2019 Author Share Posted 15 December , 2019 22 hours ago, charlie962 said: I note two of his brothers also died: Thanks Charlie I will check these out in the papers on Tuesday. Brian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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