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arantxa

252 tunnellers just got this from auction

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arantxa

Got it all for£35 plus 39 trench letters W R Scott

im looking forward to reading through the trench diary / notes it’s full 1917-18

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arantxa

As you can imagine I’m very pleased !!!!

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charlie962

keep all the family papers intact, scan it to preserve a digital copy. Well done !

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arantxa

Yes I’m going to send a copy to the imperial war museum 

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Kimberley John Lindsay

Dear arantxa,

Super find. Well done, indeed!

W. R. Scott, RE, appears to be the officer in the Portrait...

Perhaps the officers in the named Group photo are referred to in his Correspondence Book?

Kindest regards,

Kim.

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charlie962

His full name is  William Robert Wilson Ronald Scott. His Service File is at National Archives under this reference: WO 339/77007

 

 

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charlie962

Born 1875, emigrated to Costa Rica in 1922 as a Mining Engineer (suprise) and died there during WW2.

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charlie962

There's another name next to his on the Correspondence Book;  'Rowbottom 147535'; He won the Military Medal with 252 Tunneling Co, London Gazette 11/11/1916.

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arantxa

I bought three suitcases and now regret I didn’t buy the other two ! One was full of mining certificates and pics I got the number wrong and one was general but didn’t get a chance to look in it it was photographs etc but I don’t think any army ones 

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brianmorris547
8 hours ago, charlie962 said:

There's another name next to his on the Correspondence Book;  'Rowbottom 147535'; He won the Military Medal with 252 Tunneling Co, London Gazette 11/11/1916.

He is one of three named in the WD on 20/11/1916. 121952 Cpl D Baxter, 139413 Cpl J Campbell and 147533 (should be 147535) Cpl M Rowbottom. All are named in the LG 29819 of November 1916. 

The Company was formed in October, 1915 Commanding Officer Rex J Trower. He signs most of the WDs until 1918. The early 1916 WDs deal with the preparation of the Hawthorne mine. 

Brian

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arantxa

There are about 60-80 pages I like the camera says his name and252 re on back and a hole to hang it up on wall 

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arantxa

What is the item in the front case any one recognise middle officer scott at back 

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MikeyH

Amazing find, well done!

 

Mike.

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James123

Wow what a fantastic piece of history. 

 

Well done

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Beechhill
2 hours ago, arantxa said:

What is the item in the front case any one recognise middle officer scott at back 

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I'd say some kind of respiratory aid with mouth piece and airbag. It goes very nicely with the kit the boys are wearing and, what I guess is a birdcage for the famous canary. 

Very nice buy! 

/Dan 

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arantxa

I’ve had to wrap it up and promise not to look at it as my wife wants to give it to me for Xmas I told her I had got something  good at auction ... she wish I hadn’t said anything !!!

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Matlock1418
3 hours ago, Beechhill said:

I'd say some kind of respiratory aid with mouth piece and airbag. It goes very nicely with the kit the boys are wearing and, what I guess is a birdcage for the famous canary. 

I was thinking probably an oxygen resuscitator

 

Edit: It is - La Boisselle Study Group suggest it is a Siebe Gorman 'Novita'

http://www.laboisselleproject.com/siebe-gorman-mine-rescue - see photo of and application (first and third photos, as you read down)

 

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Kimberley John Lindsay

Dear arantxa,

Happy Christmas!

Kindest regards,

Kim.

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Terry_Reeves

It is breathing apparatus which was  used for mine rescue work in a gas filled atmosphere.

 

TR

 

 

 

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HolymoleyRE

Great stuff!  Amazing what you can pick up, I bought a WW2 pair of medals of Ebay (I know off topic) to Sub MT Bromhead c/o Maj Bromhead 1st Royal Berks. The Major beingM ajor Robert Benjamin Gonville Bromhead CBE... Great nephew of Major Gonville Bromhead VC.

 

The vendor said oh I have a diary from 1943, which I now have. Maj Bromhead was Bde Major if 77th Indian Infantry Brigade, and it details his experiences an other aspects of Operation Longcloth the first penetrative excursion behind Japanese lines by the Chindits...absolutely fascinating... Now my task is to transcribe it. 

 

So enjoy your Christmas present! 

 

Regards 

Andy 

 

 

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brianmorris547

2/Lt G J Cummack was one of the original Officers of the Company, named on page one of the WD.

In the Tunnelling Companies WDs there are lots of references to "Proto men", who were trained in specialist breathing apparatus. I have not seen any diagrams of the equipment but I would imagine that these are the Proto men.

Brian 

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Matlock1418
5 hours ago, arantxa said:

What is the item in the front case

 

2 hours ago, Matlock1418 said:

an oxygen resuscitator ???

 

Edit: La Boisselle Study Group suggest it is a Siebe Gorman 'Novita'

http://www.laboisselleproject.com/siebe-gorman-mine-rescue - see photo of and application (first and third photos, as you read down)

 

1 hour ago, Terry_Reeves said:

It is breathing apparatus which was  used for mine rescue work in a gas filled atmosphere.

 

Maybe I should have removed the ??? in my first answer edit [I have now!] or made it more clear - i in the case is an oxygen resuscitator - A SG 'Novita'

 

The kit being worn is breathing apparatus for rescue - looks like it is a form of 'Proto' set, but I can't tell which model

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Matlock1418
31 minutes ago, brianmorris547 said:

I would imagine that these are the Proto men

Undoubtedly in my opinion - see also the link already provided above

There appears to be a clear first "P" in the style of Proto on front the equipment worn in the photo

I suspect the name "Proto men" was generically applied to any types of rescue breathing equipment, 'Proto' or possibly otherwise

 

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brianmorris547

I knew I had an example somewhere which mentioned canaries and Proto men. 

A Court of Enquiry into the death of 139463 Cpl Pilling of 184 TC on 13/07/1916. A number of other men were gassed including 4845 Pte John Blake, Royal West Kents, in whose Service Record the full report of the Proceedings can be found. 

The WD of 184 TC 13/07/1916 records that Cpl Pilling died of gas poisoning and in September 1916 has an appendix headed Standing Orders with regard to Blows - Revised 22/08/1916.

Brian

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david murdoch

 A. W. Abbey in the photo is this man. He was in the New Zealand Engineers and awarded DCM and MiD prior to being commissioned into the Royal Engineers. In the photo he's the only one wearing a ribbon - black and white photo may be throwing the colours off for the DCM. He was discharged from NZEF to commission in Royal Engineers 26/11/1916 so dating the photo probably early 1917. Alexander Walter Abbey - by his address on his MIC see he married in Hornchurch to Winifred Marion Bishop on 22/3/1919, and they are seen leaving the UK for Spain 16/5/1919.

He was already in UK on the 1911 Census showing up as a (military?) mining student aged 19. Born 31st May 1891 in St Petersburg, Russia  -  died 31st (shot dead) December 1924 Vizcaya, Pais Vasco, Spain and buried in the British Private Cemetery in Bilbao. There are a couple of old threads for him here.  

 

https://www.nmrs.org.uk/resources/obituaries-of-members/a/alexander-walter-abbey/

http://www.gravestonephotos.com/public/gravedetails.php?grave=66428

 

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