bootneck Posted 28 November , 2019 Share Posted 28 November , 2019 I've been asked about the history of the canal during the war and so far have found very little. According to an article on Wikipedia it appears that it was used mainly as a training facility by the Royal Engineers Inland Waterways Division for training and that commercial use had finished about 1910; however, the article rather skates over the period. Having consulted the National Archives catalogue I have found a number of references to the canal c. 1904 to 1922 and will hopefully find out more on a forthcoming trip to Kew. It appears that the Board of Trade when it set up the Canal Control Committee in 1917 they took control of the canal in the Aldershot area (possibly the whole length of the canal) and there is a map showing this at Kew and they also published a handbook in 1918 that might be useful. I was wondering if anybody knew any more about its use during the war or where I might find any photographs of its military use. regards Bootneck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NigelS Posted 28 November , 2019 Share Posted 28 November , 2019 (edited) A little more information is given in 'London's Lost Route to Basingstoke' by PAL Vine (ISBN 0-7509-0228-0) which, being a history of the canal, gives, among other briefer wartime snippets: 'During the First World War the waterway was used to convey government stores & munitions from Woolwich to Aldershot as well as such items as beds, clinkers, flour, hop-strings, oats & oil cake. The main down stream traffic was timber from fleet and Frimley and horse manure from the camp at Eelmoore to the wharves below Brookwood. Control was vested in the Inland Waterways & Docks Department of the War Office and was managed by the Royal Engineers, under Lieutenant Wilder's command at the Stanhope Lines. At one time twenty-five boats were working and German prisoners-of war were employed on unloading and maintenance work. The tonnage to and from the Wey varied between 11,600 in 1915 and 18,000 tons in 1918. A perusal of the ledgers for 1919 show that the upward cargoes of the government narrow boats consisted entirely of oats, and that while Eliza & Anne, Elsie & Violet and Millie & Minnie were removing load after load of army boots and rubber tyres, and Mabel & Enid carried nothing more lovable than 'old tins'; Diana appears to have concentrated on empty drums and scrap metal.' The book also carries a photo captioned 'German prisoners-of-war unloading timber from Dauntless at Frimley Wharf, 1916' who are likely to have been from the nearby Frith Hill camp. Shortly before the war the canal, which had already been in decline, had been taken over by new owners (The Basingstoke Canal Syndicate Ltd) who reopened it within weeks of the outbreak with Bradshaw's Canals & Navigable Rivers of 1918 giving that 'the work of reconstruction is in an advanced stage. All the lock gates have been renewed, and the canal has been dredged and is open for traffic to a point six miles beyond Aldershot and will shortly be opened throughout to Basingstoke.' However, post war, and with the syndicate going into liquidation in 1919, the decline of the canal continued with its fall into disuse for commercial traffic from then on. Another indication of its possible wartime use is given in the statement 'The passage of twenty-two barge-loads of aeroplane parts during the summer of 1921 not only signified the end of the commercial traffic from Aldershot but also heralded the removal of army flying exercises from Laffan's Plain and recalled the fact that the town had been for many years England's cradle of military aviation'. (Although not Great War, there is a picture of an early seaplane on the canal during float testing with an inset of Cody, c1913) Doubtless the canal, as it had prior to the establishment of the permanent Army camps at Aldershot, Deepcut & Pirbright which it runs through, would have been used for training and exercises during the Great War, as it still is today. The Basingstoke Canal Society (https://basingstoke-canal.org.uk) holds archive material from a number of sources, so getting in touch with its archivist (details in the websites 'contacts' section) might prove helpful. NigelS Edited 29 November , 2019 by NigelS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bootneck Posted 29 November , 2019 Author Share Posted 29 November , 2019 Nigel Thank you for the detailed reply which has added a lot to my knowledge of the canal. Bootneck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike_H Posted 29 November , 2019 Share Posted 29 November , 2019 The photo in the book was produced as a postcard by Gale& Polden the Aldershot publishers and printers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonraker Posted 29 November , 2019 Share Posted 29 November , 2019 There were a couple of extra details in Nigel's post 4 here PONTOON BUILDING ON THE BASINGSTOKE CANAL, 1905 Moonraker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike_H Posted 29 November , 2019 Share Posted 29 November , 2019 (edited) In 1926 the canal was used during the making of the film "Mons" a silent recreation of the 1914 battle. M Edited 29 November , 2019 by Mike_H typo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NigelS Posted 29 November , 2019 Share Posted 29 November , 2019 (edited) More recently it was used as a location for the BBC3 series 'Our World War' (see https://www.greatwarforum.org/topic/214792-our-world-war-bbc3-series/?do=findComment&comment=2124853 ) The episode - The First Day - is currently available on iplayer ( https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p022wq5k/our-world-war-1-the-first-day ) There are some British Pathe archive films of army bridge building during the GW: this one is definitely on the Basingstoke https://www.britishpathe.com/video/aldershot-recruits-taught-to-construct-bridges at Aldershot (The road bridge shown in the background at one stage is the one taking Queens Avenue over the canal) and I'm reasonably confident that this one https://www.britishpathe.com/video/soldiers-in-training-bridge-building is as well, but further upstream beyond the Farnborough Rd bridge of which there are some brief glimpses. NigelS Edit: The 1926 film can be viewed using the BFI Player for a fee (£3.50) https://player.bfi.org.uk/rentals/film/watch-mons-1926-online Edited 30 November , 2019 by NigelS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bootneck Posted 30 November , 2019 Author Share Posted 30 November , 2019 Thank you everybody for all your useful contributions. Having looked at P A L Vine's London's Lost Route to Basingstoke I have found that it provides both a framework of the canal's history as well as putting it in to context. It has also focused my mind on my line of research and also raised further questions. Bootneck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bootneck Posted 2 January , 2020 Author Share Posted 2 January , 2020 Having done a little more digging into the subject it appears that no in depth research has been done on the use of either the Basingstoke canal or the Wey Navigation. The paragraph on the RE's use of the former is unfortunately not referenced in Vine's book while volume v of the History of the Royal Engineers in the Great War while useful regarding the Inland Waterways Division in the UK makes no mention of the use of the canal. Interestingly it does mention that the first depot for the Division was at Bordon and Longmoor. A number of books on Aldershot during the war also make very little mention of the canal. It looks like I'm going to have to rethink my ideas and how to proceed with my research. Any thoughts welcome. Bootneck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonraker Posted 13 November , 2022 Share Posted 13 November , 2022 I walked alongside the Basingstoke Canal from Dogsmerfield to Greywell (where the modern navigable section ends at the portal of a collapsed tunnel). Very pleasant day. An information board referred to the canals military function in the Great War, so when I returned home I Googled for more information. Gratifyingly, the first hit referred me to this thread. I also looked at The Times archive but, understandably because of wartime restrictions, there was nothing relevant. There were a few references to it in reports of prewar manoeuvres. Searching The Ogilby Muster produced a few images, but I haven't had a chance to check these out. The 1925 photograph of Thorneycroft tractors towing guns across the canal caught my eye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike_H Posted 11 December , 2022 Share Posted 11 December , 2022 The gun towing photo looks as if it is in the Eelmoor section of the canal between Fleet and Aldershot, Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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