Sly Posted 25 November , 2019 Share Posted 25 November , 2019 Hi, I am looking for any information about a German soldier who has survived the War. His name was Albert Wortmann, born on 15.10.1898 in Endorf. According to his son he was wounded probably in Belgium. I have found him on the website of the German genealogy association, in the Verlustlisten 1. Weltkrieg, page 21562. Is there any way to find in which regiment he was ? Or any other information ? Thank you for your help, Regards, Sly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmf Posted 27 November , 2019 Share Posted 27 November , 2019 Hi Sly, I'd recommend joining and posting at this site https://www.feldgrau-forum.com/ , which is run by Andy, whose a member of the GWF under the moniker 'The Prussian'. Contact him for advice. Best, Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie2 Posted 27 November , 2019 Share Posted 27 November , 2019 Its very unlikely that there is any more to be learned about him, the Prussian Army records were destroyed in WW2. If there is a photo of him it may be possible to identify his regiment. The Feldgrau forum is well worth joining. Charlie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AOK4 Posted 27 November , 2019 Share Posted 27 November , 2019 Since he was wounded, it may be possible to find something more via the Krankenbuchlager, held in the military archives in Freiburg. I have no experience with the recent possibilities of getting information from there though. Jan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prussian Posted 27 November , 2019 Share Posted 27 November , 2019 (edited) Hello Sly! There are different ways to find a man. 1) The casualty lists (which you visited) 2) The Red Cross for captured soldiers: https://grandeguerre.icrc.org/ 3) Denkmalprojekt for killed soldiers: http://www.denkmalprojekt.org/search/suche.htm 4) Krankenbuchlager Please note that no lists are 100% complete. So I checked the killed soldiers too. No match. The problem is what Charlie mentioned. All prussian recordings were destroyed in WW2. The only chance to find more is a photo, which shows his uniform or informations on the reverse like stamps, abbreviations and so on. In the casualty lists in 1916 and 1917 the unit was not mentioned. Another problem is the date in the casualty lists. That´s not date, when he was wounded, but the date, when the entry was published. In your case 1917-11-10. That means he could had been wounded a couple of weeks before this date! And that doesn´t make it easier... Especially Flanders... The battle of Flanders 1917 was from May 27 until December 3. Involved was the 4th army with different army corps and divisions. I´m sorry, I couldn´t help you, but you could ask the son of Albert, if he has photos, postcards or letters from him. Chris, thanks a lot for recommending me! Edited 27 November , 2019 by The Prussian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyC Posted 27 November , 2019 Share Posted 27 November , 2019 (edited) 8 hours ago, cmf said: I'd recommend joining and posting at this site https://www.feldgrau-forum.com/ , which is run by Andy It may well look like it´s run by Andy, as he is a busy bee contributor and moderator, but it is not run by him. Still very much worth a visit, as it is the largest platform for WW1 in German with quite knowledgable contributors. Best, GreyC Edited 27 November , 2019 by GreyC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie962 Posted 27 November , 2019 Share Posted 27 November , 2019 3 hours ago, The Prussian said: All prussian recordings were destroyed in WW2. Do you refer just to Military records or is this also true for civil records -birth marriage death census etc ? charlie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prussian Posted 27 November , 2019 Share Posted 27 November , 2019 No. I mean military records. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie962 Posted 27 November , 2019 Share Posted 27 November , 2019 Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyC Posted 27 November , 2019 Share Posted 27 November , 2019 Hi Charlie, civil records -birth marriage death records were recorded locally. GreyC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sly Posted 27 November , 2019 Author Share Posted 27 November , 2019 Thank you very much for your help, I will ask to his son if he has a photo of Albert Wortmann in his uniform. Albert had a brother, Josef Wortmann, who has died in WW1. Josef Wortmann was born on 29 May 1897 at Endorf. According to the local record he was killed on 22 March 1918 at Beaumetz and buried at Pronville, near Arras. He doesn't have a known grave according to the Volksbund Deutsche Kriegsgräberfürsorge , but I have found a Robert Wortmann, killed on the same day (22 March 1918) buried at Neuville Saint Vaast German cemetery. As I have come many mistakes and mispelled names in the records and registers, I wonder if that could be him... Sly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prussian Posted 27 November , 2019 Share Posted 27 November , 2019 (edited) Hello Sly! Robert served with the Lehr-Infanterie-Regiment. He was captured 21./22.3.1918: https://grandeguerre.icrc.org/en/File/Details/2199998/1/2/ The regimental history says, he died March 22, 1918, so one day after he got captured. Edited 27 November , 2019 by The Prussian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sly Posted 27 November , 2019 Author Share Posted 27 November , 2019 Thank you so much, this is the card about Joseph, Albert's brother. I have found too that Joseph(f) was in the Lehr-Infanterie-Regiment, and the 3rd Guard Division was attacking in the area of Beaumetz (near Arras) on March 1918. What about the other one, Robert Wortmann who died on the same day, buried at Neuville Saint Vaast ? Is it another person ? Leutnant Robert Wortmann, Block 1, Grab 932 ? Sly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AOK4 Posted 27 November , 2019 Share Posted 27 November , 2019 Lt. Wortmann (notice already the different rank!) served in IR 75 when he was killed near Vaulx-Vraucourt. He was from Hagen in Westfalen. Jan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prussian Posted 27 November , 2019 Share Posted 27 November , 2019 (edited) Yes, Josef. My fault. Sorry. Robert was Lt.d.Res, born in Hagen. He promoted to Lt. in Res.Ers.Inf.Rgt.2 and was killed in Inf.Rgt.75 at Vaulx-Vraucourt Ooops.... double entry... Edited 28 November , 2019 by The Prussian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmf Posted 27 November , 2019 Share Posted 27 November , 2019 (edited) I'm glad an interesting exchange has ensued as a result of my suggestion! Hi again Andy, apologies for inadvertently according you webmaster status! Chris Edited 27 November , 2019 by cmf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prussian Posted 28 November , 2019 Share Posted 28 November , 2019 (edited) No problem, Chris. I´m not the leader of that forum, but the "Brain&Engine"... Here is a photo of Officers of IR75. Unfortunately no names, no date. Jan will know it... Edited 28 November , 2019 by The Prussian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AOK4 Posted 28 November , 2019 Share Posted 28 November , 2019 The picture does ring a bell to me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prussian Posted 28 November , 2019 Share Posted 28 November , 2019 Yes, and I love it! Unfortunately I don´t have the regimental history of IR75 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyC Posted 28 November , 2019 Share Posted 28 November , 2019 5 hours ago, The Prussian said: "Brain&Engine" yes, and the only one, too. GreyC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sly Posted 30 November , 2019 Author Share Posted 30 November , 2019 Albert's son has sent me the only photo known of his father, Albert Wortmann. Unfortunately I don't see anything which can help to identify his unit... Sly Sly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prussian Posted 30 November , 2019 Share Posted 30 November , 2019 That´s right, Sly. We can´t see anything... He doesn´t wear any rank insignias. So he was an enlisted man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sly Posted 30 November , 2019 Author Share Posted 30 November , 2019 Knowing that he was born at Endorf, Arnsberg, any idea of which Army corps, or "unit" he could have been ? Thanks, Sly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyC Posted 30 November , 2019 Share Posted 30 November , 2019 Hi, VII AK. GreyC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prussian Posted 30 November , 2019 Share Posted 30 November , 2019 (edited) No, unfortunately that´s wrong. The administrative district of Arnsberg belonged (together with Brilon, Meschede and Wittgenstein) to the Landwehr-District Meschede. This was part of the hessian XVIII. Army Corps. This corps included the Grand Duchy of Hesse, the southern part of Westphalia and parts of the province Hessen-Nassau. The Landwehr districts Meschede and Siegen in peace time were under command of 21st Cavalry-Brigade. By mobilization they came under command of 41st infantry brigade (21st infantry division). But that doesn´t mean, he served in one of those regiments. Maybe they took him in a reserve regiment or a non-infantry unit. If he was an infantryman, he could have been served with IR87 or 88 or their reserve or Landwehr units. But we can´t be sure! Edited 30 November , 2019 by The Prussian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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