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taylorsearcher

A review of the Pension Cards and Ledgers has confirmed a family story that the pension of my deceased great grandfather was being claimed by two women.  One, by/for his true widow and two dependant children (under 16) and the other, by the woman - he had previously left his wife for - as the guardian to his illegitimate children !

 

My question is this:-

Was the pension and/or children’s allowance a finite amount and therefore in this case his wife would have received a lesser amount than the ‘standard’ amount - the rest being issued to the second claimant ?

 

Or, would each claim be assessed on its respective merits ?

 

 

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ss002d6252

Just because one was paid a certain amount wouldn't mean that the other was paid less. Each was individually assessed.

 

Craig

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bif

Craig,   Does that mean two diff pensions could be paid for the death of the same soldier to two diff beneficiaries ?

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taylorsearcher

In addition to bif's question above, below are the pension cards for each woman's claim.  Can anyone suggest answers to the following:-

 

Would the amount for Alice (his true widow) decrease when the remaining two children reached the age of 16 ?

Would the (remaining) pension be paid to Alice up to the date of her death (which was in 1963) ?

When did updates to these cards stop, as although there appears to be a subsequent address update, (she was at the Rosslyn Road address from 1909 until at least 1939) she moved addresses at least once more before she died ?

The linked Ledger suggests that his mother as the claimant (although there appears not be a corresponding Card.  What could this indicate ?

 

The claim by Mrs ! Mary Baker only appears to relate to her guardianship of their illigitimate children (in general) rather than claiming for the children themselves.

The awarded amount appears to have a limited duration (expiring 7.4.1920), but this date does not have any relation to the children's respective ages.  (There were 4 chidren and they would be 16 in the years 1928, 1929, 1930 & 1933).

 

 

 

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taylorsearcher

Craig,

 

Can I assume that the fact that he was accidentally killed - he fell under a train in France on his way back from leave, rather than killed by a German - does not have a bearing on the pension amount?

 

Dave

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On 12/11/2019 at 09:04, taylorsearcher said:

Craig,

 

Can I assume that the fact that he was accidentally killed - he fell under a train in France on his way back from leave, rather than killed by a German - does not have a bearing on the pension amount?

 

Dave

The fact that he was accidentally killed would not reduce the amount paid (This changed during the war - originally it had to be death due to or aggravated by service for a pension to be considered).

 

On 08/11/2019 at 19:21, bif said:

Craig,   Does that mean two diff pensions could be paid for the death of the same soldier to two diff beneficiaries ?

Yes, assuming that the person qualified then multiple pensions could be paid

Craig

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bif
3 hours ago, ss002d6252 said:

Yes,

Craig,   Thanks for the answer.  That's amazing.

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taylorsearcher

Craig,

 

thanks for the above, but do you have any thoughts on my questions relating to the detail on the cards .
 

regards

Dave

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Further to (one) of the questions above.  The second Mrs Baker - ‘the other woman’ formally married in 1919 and had another child in 1920, albeit born in May.  Would this marriage have cancelled her previous claim for being the guardian of Alfred’s illegitimate children ?

 

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