PeteS Posted 3 November , 2019 Share Posted 3 November , 2019 I see that Air Commodore HG Bowen MBE flew in the Great War as a Flight Lieut, after joining the RFC in mid 1916 from the DCLI. Malcolm Barrass excellent site shows him as a Pilot with 7 Sqn, then briefly with No, 19 Sqn, returning to 7 Sqn before appointment as a flight commander with 7 Sqn in April 1917 and later also flight commander 100 Sqn Oct 1917 (Western Front) before a transfer to Castlebar Flight in Ireland in May 1918. When I look at his medals card he is shown with zero medal entitlement and that confuses me. Presumably his medals would have been issued by the RAF but shouldn't the Army MIC make reference to entitlement to at least BWM and BVM ? Are records for RAF medals Great War available ? thanks Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josquin Posted 7 November , 2019 Share Posted 7 November , 2019 Pete, The MIC did not list gallantry awards for Capt. Horace George Bowen (5th Bn Duke of Cornwal's Light Infantry 2nd Lt. & RFC/RAF T/Capt.) because no medals were awarded. The London Gazette is the standard reference to consult to document the conferring of gallantry awards. The Gazette listing for Bowen's Short Service Commission as a Flight Lieutenant (L.G. 24 October 1919) lists no awards, and Gazette notices for 30 December 1927, 4 January 1935, and 1 November 1938 list only the M.B.E. that was awarded on 1 January 1923. Josquin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteS Posted 7 November , 2019 Author Share Posted 7 November , 2019 Hi Josquin, I was trying to establish his campaign medals for WW1 not his MBE, his MIC does not show a BWM or a BVM and that what what surprised me, unless of course there is a second MIC which I havent found yet. Did you find anything to suggest he received a trio or a pair ? thanks Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josquin Posted 8 November , 2019 Share Posted 8 November , 2019 Pete, Since Captain Bowen embarked to France on 7 July 1916, to serve with 7 Squadron, he should have been eligible for the BWM and the BVM pair. His status as a postwar serving officer with the RAF may have caused his medal card detailing awards to be retained at the MoD, or it may have been lost (as many MICs were when they were transported among various storage venues).. Josquin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmsk212 Posted 8 November , 2019 Share Posted 8 November , 2019 The medal index card is an Army form the RAF did not issue them, his just states " no medals to be awarded by the W. O. " it also mentions that the Air Ministry forwards a form. Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josquin Posted 8 November , 2019 Share Posted 8 November , 2019 H.G. Bowen was commissioned as a 2nd Lieutenant in the 5th Battalion of The Duke of Cornwall's Light Infantry Regiment on 22 April 1915. As the BWM and BVM were awarded only for service abroad, and his MIC states "no medals to be awarded by the W.O.," this suggests that the medals were not awarded because he did not serve abroad during his service with the DCLI. There were two 5th Battalions of the DCLI. The 1/5th Battalion of the DCLI did not disembark at Le Havre until 22 May 1916, possibly after Bowen was attached to the R.F.C., and the 2/5th Battalion of the DCLI was stationed on home defence duty throughout the war. His embarkation to France, on 7 July 1916, occurred as an officer with the R.F.C.rather than as an officer serving with an infantry regiment. Josquin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmsk212 Posted 8 November , 2019 Share Posted 8 November , 2019 (edited) Here is his casualty form :- https://www.casualtyforms.org/form/894 His Officer Papers can be found at the National Archives in Kew in file number WO339/40439 Steve Edited 8 November , 2019 by hmsk212 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmsk212 Posted 8 November , 2019 Share Posted 8 November , 2019 1 hour ago, josquin said: H.G. Bowen was commissioned as a 2nd Lieutenant in the 5th Battalion of The Duke of Cornwall's Light Infantry Regiment on 22 April 1915. As the BWM and BVM were awarded only for service abroad, and his MIC states "no medals to be awarded by the W.O.," this suggests that the medals were not awarded because he did not serve abroad during his service with the DCLI. There were two 5th Battalions of the DCLI. The 1/5th Battalion of the DCLI did not disembark at Le Havre until 22 May 1916, possibly after Bowen was attached to the R.F.C., and the 2/5th Battalion of the DCLI was stationed on home defence duty throughout the war. His embarkation to France, on 7 July 1916, occurred as an officer with the R.F.C.rather than as an officer serving with an infantry regiment. Josquin He may well have served overseas with the DCLI but only in the rank of 2nd Lieutenant. His medals would have been issued in the rank of Captain which happened whilst he was serving with the RFC /RAF. Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteS Posted 10 November , 2019 Author Share Posted 10 November , 2019 Thanks Steve, is there an available Medal Roll for the RFC/RAF thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmsk212 Posted 10 November , 2019 Share Posted 10 November , 2019 Yes :- Taken from the National Archives Rolls approx. 2014 Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteS Posted 14 November , 2019 Author Share Posted 14 November , 2019 Thank you for your help, I suppose that this is from your own research and is not available on line through one of the Ancestry or FMP or Fold3 sites ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmsk212 Posted 14 November , 2019 Share Posted 14 November , 2019 Hi Yes that was from my own research but it is also now available on Ancestry. Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteS Posted 19 November , 2019 Author Share Posted 19 November , 2019 thank you Steve, I have ANCESTRY and I shall see if I can find it there to answer a couple more queries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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