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Kraftrad-Abteilung 741


stevenbecker

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Mates,

 

Another interesting unit of the Pasha 11 units to Palestine in Kraftrad-Abteilung 741

 

This was a Kraftrad-Abteilung 741  (Motorcycles)

 

I tried to find photos of this unit or its M/C's but could not find any?

 

Do you know any details on this unit?

 

What was its strength and make up?

 

I could only find one officer for this unit,  but could not confirm him or any other Officers?

 

The known names of 51 soldiers and Officer of this unit?

 

Augustin Richard    Unteroffizier    741st MT Co (Kraftwagenpark) Kraftrad-Abteilung 741 Motorcycle 
Beukmann Franz    Kraftfarher Dvr    741st MT Co (Kraftwagenpark) Kraftrad-Abteilung 741 Motorcycle 
Bohlmann August    Kraftfarher Dvr    741st MT Co (Kraftwagenpark) Kraftrad-Abteilung 741 Motorcycle 
Chuziak Stanislaus    Kraftfarher Dvr    741st MT Co (Kraftwagenpark) Kraftrad-Abteilung 741 Motorcycle 
Daudert Karl    Kraftfarher Dvr    741st MT Co (Kraftwagenpark) Kraftrad-Abteilung 741 Motorcycle 
Döbler     Lt    741st MT Co (Kraftwagenpark) Kraftrad-Abteilung 741 Motorcycle 
Eberle Karl     Kraftfarher Dvr    741st MT Co (Kraftwagenpark) Kraftrad-Abteilung 741 Motorcycle 
Frank Richard    Feldwebel    741st MT Co (Kraftwagenpark) Kraftrad-Abteilung 741 Motorcycle 
Goeken Heinrich    Kraftfarher Dvr    741st MT Co (Kraftwagenpark) Kraftrad-Abteilung 741 Motorcycle     1917-18     (1896 at Geestemünde died 24-9-18) cause not stated? 
Goodknecht Wilhelm    Kraftfarher Dvr    741st MT Co (Kraftwagenpark) Kraftrad-Abteilung 741 Motorcycle 
Gottwald Walter    Kraftfarher Dvr    741st MT Co (Kraftwagenpark) Kraftrad-Abteilung 741 Motorcycle 
Gropengießer Wilhelm    Gefr    741st MT Co (Kraftwagenpark) Kraftrad-Abteilung 741 Motorcycle 
Grundschüttel Karl    Kraftfarher Dvr    741st MT Co (Kraftwagenpark) Kraftrad-Abteilung 741 Motorcycle 
Haupt Peter    Kraftfarher Dvr    741st MT Co (Kraftwagenpark) Kraftrad-Abteilung 741 Motorcycle 
Hoffmann Philipp    Kraftfarher Dvr    741st MT Co (Kraftwagenpark) Kraftrad-Abteilung 741 Motorcycle 
Huber Otto     Kraftfarher Dvr    741st MT Co (Kraftwagenpark) Kraftrad-Abteilung 741 Motorcycle 
Jaekel Georg    Unteroffizier    741st MT Co (Kraftwagenpark) Kraftrad-Abteilung 741 Motorcycle 
Jeche Gustav    Kraftfarher Dvr    741st MT Co (Kraftwagenpark) Kraftrad-Abteilung 741 Motorcycle 
Käbisch Max     Unteroffizier    741st MT Co (Kraftwagenpark) Kraftrad-Abteilung 741 Motorcycle 
Kayser Karl    Kraftfarher Dvr    741st MT Co (Kraftwagenpark) Kraftrad-Abteilung 741 Motorcycle 
Klaus Heinrich    Kraftfarher Dvr    741st MT Co (Kraftwagenpark) Kraftrad-Abteilung 741 Motorcycle 
Klebba August     Kraftfarher Dvr    741st MT Co (Kraftwagenpark) Kraftrad-Abteilung 741 Motorcycle 
Kniep Bernhard    Unteroffizier    741st MT Co (Kraftwagenpark) Kraftrad-Abteilung 741 Motorcycle 
Knura Valentin    Kraftfarher Dvr    741st MT Co (Kraftwagenpark) Kraftrad-Abteilung 741 Motorcycle 
Köhler Reinhard    Gefr    741st MT Co (Kraftwagenpark) Kraftrad-Abteilung 741 Motorcycle 
Kracht Wilhelm    Kraftfarher Dvr    741st MT Co (Kraftwagenpark) Kraftrad-Abteilung 741 Motorcycle 
Krätschmer Gustav    Gefr    741st MT Co (Kraftwagenpark) Kraftrad-Abteilung 741 Motorcycle 
Lau Johann    Kraftfarher Dvr    741st MT Co (Kraftwagenpark) Kraftrad-Abteilung 741 Motorcycle 
Litzner Adolf    Unteroffizier    741st MT Co (Kraftwagenpark) Kraftrad-Abteilung 741 Motorcycle 
Löffler Friedrich    Kraftfarher Dvr    741st MT Co (Kraftwagenpark) Kraftrad-Abteilung 741 Motorcycle 
Mühr Karl    Kraftfarher Dvr    741st MT Co (Kraftwagenpark) Kraftrad-Abteilung 741 Motorcycle 
Podlech Adolf    Kraftfarher Dvr    741st MT Co (Kraftwagenpark) Kraftrad-Abteilung 741 Motorcycle 
Rohrmoser Fritz    Kraftfarher Dvr    741st MT Co (Kraftwagenpark) Kraftrad-Abteilung 741 Motorcycle 
Roß Eugen    Kraftfarher Dvr    741st MT Co (Kraftwagenpark) Kraftrad-Abteilung 741 Motorcycle 
Rost Alfred     Kraftfarher Dvr    741st MT Co (Kraftwagenpark) Kraftrad-Abteilung 741 Motorcycle 
Rüdinger Ludwig    Gefr    741st MT Co (Kraftwagenpark) Kraftrad-Abteilung 741 Motorcycle 
Schlegel Max    Kraftfarher Dvr    741st MT Co (Kraftwagenpark) Kraftrad-Abteilung 741 Motorcycle 
Schlösser Hugo    Kraftfarher Dvr    741st MT Co (Kraftwagenpark) Kraftrad-Abteilung 741 Motorcycle 
Schrage Franz    Kraftfarher Dvr    741st MT Co (Kraftwagenpark) Kraftrad-Abteilung 741 Motorcycle 
Siemens Karl    Gefr    741st MT Co (Kraftwagenpark) Kraftrad-Abteilung 741 Motorcycle 
Sievers Bernhard    Sanit Gefr    741st MT Co (Kraftwagenpark) Kraftrad-Abteilung 741 Motorcycle 
Spiecker Gerhard    Kraftfarher Dvr    741st MT Co (Kraftwagenpark) Kraftrad-Abteilung 741 Motorcycle 
Sturm Friedrich    Gefr    741st MT Co (Kraftwagenpark) Kraftrad-Abteilung 741 Motorcycle 
Thomas Karl     Kraftfarher Dvr    741st MT Co (Kraftwagenpark) Kraftrad-Abteilung 741 Motorcycle 
Tiersch Fritz    Gefr    741st MT Co (Kraftwagenpark) Kraftrad-Abteilung 741 Motorcycle 
Voshaar Anton    Kraftfarher Dvr    741st MT Co (Kraftwagenpark) Kraftrad-Abteilung 741 Motorcycle 
Weber Wilhelm    Kraftfarher Dvr    741st MT Co (Kraftwagenpark) Kraftrad-Abteilung 741 Motorcycle 
Weinrich Georg    Gefr    741st MT Co (Kraftwagenpark) Kraftrad-Abteilung 741 Motorcycle 
Weyhe Theodor von    Gefr    741st MT Co (Kraftwagenpark) Kraftrad-Abteilung 741 Motorcycle 
Wulf Ferdinand    Gefr    741st MT Co (Kraftwagenpark) Kraftrad-Abteilung 741 Motorcycle 
Wüst Mathias    Kraftfarher Dvr    741st MT Co (Kraftwagenpark) Kraftrad-Abteilung 741 Motorcycle 

 

Is there any cause for the death of that one soldier

 

Goeken Heinrich    Kraftfarher Dvr    died 24-9-18) cause not stated? 
 

 

Cheers

 

S.B

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Charlie,

 

Thank mate, any ideas how?

 

As  a M/C unit it must have been used as messanger work

 

I did notice I record these men who died on that date either in Palestine or around there?

 

Bluth Otto    Gefr    1701st (Armee-Fernsprech-Abteilung 1701) (Sig unit)
Goeken Heinrich    Kraftfarher Dvr    741st MT Co (Kraftwagenpark) Kraftrad-Abteilung 741 Motorcycle 
Graf Emil    Sgt    Divisions-Fernsprech-Abteilung 1703 (telephon) Sig Co
Schulte-Kellinghaus Johann    Gefr    unknown (unit not stated?) 
 

ALH were around these areas, but Indian Horse with British Horse were also all over the place?

 

Today, the Anzac Mounted Div with the 1 LH Bde advanced on Es Salt from Umm Es Shert, while the 2 LH Bde moved from El Helale to Ain Hemar

The Aust Mounted Div with the 3 LH Bde stiill sent out patrols from Nazareth, while the 4 LH Bde moved from Afuleh to Beisan to Jisr El Mejamie. The 5 LH Bde was still patroling around Jenin less 15 LH who moved to join the 4 LH Bde.

Wounded

ARTHUR   George   4603   Pte   LH Reinf   to Reinf camp 6-17 to CTD 8-18 tos CSqn/03 LHR 8-18 WIA 24-9-18 ankle injury minor on duty possibly during move from Umm Es Shert to Es Salt to hosp (malaria) 10-18 rtn 2-19 RTA MU malaria

KRAFT   Herbert Fredrick   57173   Pte   3 GSR SA   to CTD 7-18 tos CSqn/9 LHR 9-18 (Lt Masson C Troop & Maj Charley's C Sqn) WIA 24-9-18 L/foot accident SIW shot himself cleaning rifle at El Afule rtn 1-19

LESLIE   Richard McDonald   17996   Spr   1+2 Fld Trps   tos L/Cpl "D" Field Troop & Bridge Trn 1 LH FSE 9-17 to 2/Cpl 10-17 DCM - for his work on water supply at Asluj and Bir Saba to A Troop 1 LH FSE 7-18 WIA 24-9-18 L/foot accident in horse fall near Es Salt WIA 20-12-18 bruised body, head & nose accident while in hosp beaten during disturbance by Italian Troops rtn 2-19 to UK leave (WA IR CMF 2 years)

LYONS   John Martin   9   Sig   05 LHR   RHQ to B Sqn? rtn RHQ? WIA 7-8-15 R/arm shot reported hit in camp behind Chathams Post evac to (3 AGH) hosp 8-15 rtn 11-15 (G) to L/Cpl 2-16 to T/Sig/Cpl A Sqn 4-16 revert to B Sqn 6-16 WIA 5-8-16 R/arm shot in fighting at Katia rtn 10-16 to Sig/Cpl 3-17 qual Sig 8-17 WIA 24-9-18 L/hand shrapnel reported hit when shelled around noon by Turkish Mountain guns around Ain es Sir near Amman RTA 1914 leave later WWII Pte 2Bn VDC AKA John Martin Lyone (C Troop CSqn/1 LH CMF 1 year)

WALGERS   Norman   21293   Spr   1 FSE   17R to Eng Trg unit 6-18 tos A Field troop 1 LH FSE 8-18 WIA 24-9-18 R/hip accident in horse fall around Ain Hemar near Es Salt rtn 2-19 to T/2/Cpl (from gageler) 5-19 Ex depot disch 19-4-15 old injury (60 IR shown 5 LH CMF 2 years later WWII Civil Constructional Corps & Pte 2/1 Fld Wkshop) AKA Norman Potts Walgers

 

Cheers

 

S.B

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Hi Steve!

That´s very interesting, because that unit was the only motorcycle unit in Turkey!

It belonged to the "Kommandeur der Kraftfahrtruppe" in Nablus (former Kommandeur der Kraftfahrtruppen 8th turkish army)

Here is a list about the german Kraftfahr-Truppen in Turkey:

Leitung des Deutschen Kraftfahrwesens in der Türkei in Konstantinopel
Personalnachschubstelle Konstantinopel
Kraftwagenpark Konstantinopel
Erzkolonne A in Kutahia
Erzkolonne B in Arghana-Maden
Erzkolonne C in Balia-Bergwerke
Ernährungskolonne in Konia (KWK 508 )
Ernährungskolonne in Konia (KWK 509a)
Kraftwagenkolonne 513 in Hassan-Beyli

Kdr. d. Kraftwagen Irak (früher K.d.K. 6. osmanische Armee) in Mosul
Kraftwagenkolonne 501 in Tscham-Alan
Kraftwagenkolonne 508a in Mosul
Kraftwagenkolonne 508b in Tell-Helif
Kraftwagenkolonne 509b in Nisibin
Kraftwagenkolonne 511 in Tell-Helif
Kraftwagenpark 514 Mosul
Stokraft (Stabsoffizier der Kraftfahrtruppen) 771 (later Regimentskommandeur der Kraftfahrtruppen) in Nazareth

Kdr. der Kraftwagen Syrien (früher K.d.K. 7. osmanische Armee) in Damaskus
Armee-Kraftwagenkolonne 205 in Homa
Armee-Kraftwagenkolonne 703 in Marrasch
Armee-Kraftwagenkolonne 710 in Aman
Armee-Kraftwagenkolonne 712 in Karak
Armee-Kraftwagenkolonne 713 in Aman
Armee-Kraftwagenkolonne 715 in Damaskus
Armee-Kraftwagenstaffel 731 in Damaskus
Armee-Kraftwagenpark 751 in Damaskus
Kraftfahr-Ersatzabteilung F in Damaskus
Kraftwagenkolonne 502 in Es Salt
Kraftwagenkolonne 503 in Rajak
Kraftwagenpark 504 in Mouslemije

Kdr. der Kraftwagen Palästina (former K.d.K. der 8. osmanischen Armee) in Nablus
Armee-Kraftwagenkolonne 701 in Tul Kerim
Armee-Kraftwagenkolonne 702 in Nablus
Armee-Kraftwagenkolonne 704 in Nazareth
Armee-Kraftwagenkolonne 705 in Nablus
Armee-Kraftwagenkolonne 706 in Besan
Armee-Kraftwagenkolonne 707 in Huwara
Armee-Kraftwagenkolonne 708 in Sebastije
Armee-Kraftwagenkolonne 709 in Besan
Armee-Kraftwagenkolonne 711 in Nazareth
Armee-Kraftwagenkolonne714 in Nablus
Kraftradabteilung 741 in Nazareth
Sanitäts-Kraftwagenabteilung 761 in Nazareth
Kraftwagenkolonne 506 in Tul Kerim
Kraftwagenkolonne 507 in Nablus
Kraftwagenkolonne 515 in Sebastije
Kraftwagenpark 505 in Tiberias

Some columns were later divided. Thus column 512 became column 511 on June 4, 1918 and column 508b on June 4, 1918.
The column 801 was destined for the Caucasus.

Then I found:
Kraftfahr-Sonderformation 500 in Bozanti
Kraftwagenkolonne 513 in Amanus
Kraftwagenkolonne 512
Kraftwagenkolonne 516
Erzkolonne D
Erzkolonne E
The above mentioned ore columns A-C and the last mentioned columns D and E were also called motor vehicle columns A-D.

 

Unfortunately I don´t have any infos about the strength

By the way, there is an interesting book (in german) about the fallen soldiers:

Norbert Schwake: "Deutsche Soldatengräber in Israel" (ISBN 978-3-402-00231-5)

https://www.aschendorff-buchverlag.de/detailview?no=00231

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Mate,

 

Many thanks.

 

I was looking on how the German deployed their Companies around the Ottoman Empire.

 

With such poor transport systems in Turkey, like poor railways and even worse roads. its a wonder the Ottoman Empire lasted as long as it did.

 

But the idea of "the Poor man or Europe" had been around since the British were allied with them in the 1850's.

 

Some other units I found could be amoung the units you gave, but along with the Military Mission there mixed together.

 

It also appears units from Romania and Bulgaria show up in the Cemeteries of Istanbul, which make confirming all of them a chore.

 

Cheers

 

S.B

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Don´t forget the austrians... They also fought in Palestine!

For theb germans you are right. There were three "waves". The Military Mission, Pascha I and Pascha II

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