stevenbecker Posted 18 October , 2019 Share Posted 18 October , 2019 Mates, Another interesting unit of the Pasha 11 units to Palestine in Kraftrad-Abteilung 741 This was a Kraftrad-Abteilung 741 (Motorcycles) I tried to find photos of this unit or its M/C's but could not find any? Do you know any details on this unit? What was its strength and make up? I could only find one officer for this unit, but could not confirm him or any other Officers? The known names of 51 soldiers and Officer of this unit? Augustin Richard Unteroffizier 741st MT Co (Kraftwagenpark) Kraftrad-Abteilung 741 Motorcycle Beukmann Franz Kraftfarher Dvr 741st MT Co (Kraftwagenpark) Kraftrad-Abteilung 741 Motorcycle Bohlmann August Kraftfarher Dvr 741st MT Co (Kraftwagenpark) Kraftrad-Abteilung 741 Motorcycle Chuziak Stanislaus Kraftfarher Dvr 741st MT Co (Kraftwagenpark) Kraftrad-Abteilung 741 Motorcycle Daudert Karl Kraftfarher Dvr 741st MT Co (Kraftwagenpark) Kraftrad-Abteilung 741 Motorcycle Döbler Lt 741st MT Co (Kraftwagenpark) Kraftrad-Abteilung 741 Motorcycle Eberle Karl Kraftfarher Dvr 741st MT Co (Kraftwagenpark) Kraftrad-Abteilung 741 Motorcycle Frank Richard Feldwebel 741st MT Co (Kraftwagenpark) Kraftrad-Abteilung 741 Motorcycle Goeken Heinrich Kraftfarher Dvr 741st MT Co (Kraftwagenpark) Kraftrad-Abteilung 741 Motorcycle 1917-18 (1896 at Geestemünde died 24-9-18) cause not stated? Goodknecht Wilhelm Kraftfarher Dvr 741st MT Co (Kraftwagenpark) Kraftrad-Abteilung 741 Motorcycle Gottwald Walter Kraftfarher Dvr 741st MT Co (Kraftwagenpark) Kraftrad-Abteilung 741 Motorcycle Gropengießer Wilhelm Gefr 741st MT Co (Kraftwagenpark) Kraftrad-Abteilung 741 Motorcycle Grundschüttel Karl Kraftfarher Dvr 741st MT Co (Kraftwagenpark) Kraftrad-Abteilung 741 Motorcycle Haupt Peter Kraftfarher Dvr 741st MT Co (Kraftwagenpark) Kraftrad-Abteilung 741 Motorcycle Hoffmann Philipp Kraftfarher Dvr 741st MT Co (Kraftwagenpark) Kraftrad-Abteilung 741 Motorcycle Huber Otto Kraftfarher Dvr 741st MT Co (Kraftwagenpark) Kraftrad-Abteilung 741 Motorcycle Jaekel Georg Unteroffizier 741st MT Co (Kraftwagenpark) Kraftrad-Abteilung 741 Motorcycle Jeche Gustav Kraftfarher Dvr 741st MT Co (Kraftwagenpark) Kraftrad-Abteilung 741 Motorcycle Käbisch Max Unteroffizier 741st MT Co (Kraftwagenpark) Kraftrad-Abteilung 741 Motorcycle Kayser Karl Kraftfarher Dvr 741st MT Co (Kraftwagenpark) Kraftrad-Abteilung 741 Motorcycle Klaus Heinrich Kraftfarher Dvr 741st MT Co (Kraftwagenpark) Kraftrad-Abteilung 741 Motorcycle Klebba August Kraftfarher Dvr 741st MT Co (Kraftwagenpark) Kraftrad-Abteilung 741 Motorcycle Kniep Bernhard Unteroffizier 741st MT Co (Kraftwagenpark) Kraftrad-Abteilung 741 Motorcycle Knura Valentin Kraftfarher Dvr 741st MT Co (Kraftwagenpark) Kraftrad-Abteilung 741 Motorcycle Köhler Reinhard Gefr 741st MT Co (Kraftwagenpark) Kraftrad-Abteilung 741 Motorcycle Kracht Wilhelm Kraftfarher Dvr 741st MT Co (Kraftwagenpark) Kraftrad-Abteilung 741 Motorcycle Krätschmer Gustav Gefr 741st MT Co (Kraftwagenpark) Kraftrad-Abteilung 741 Motorcycle Lau Johann Kraftfarher Dvr 741st MT Co (Kraftwagenpark) Kraftrad-Abteilung 741 Motorcycle Litzner Adolf Unteroffizier 741st MT Co (Kraftwagenpark) Kraftrad-Abteilung 741 Motorcycle Löffler Friedrich Kraftfarher Dvr 741st MT Co (Kraftwagenpark) Kraftrad-Abteilung 741 Motorcycle Mühr Karl Kraftfarher Dvr 741st MT Co (Kraftwagenpark) Kraftrad-Abteilung 741 Motorcycle Podlech Adolf Kraftfarher Dvr 741st MT Co (Kraftwagenpark) Kraftrad-Abteilung 741 Motorcycle Rohrmoser Fritz Kraftfarher Dvr 741st MT Co (Kraftwagenpark) Kraftrad-Abteilung 741 Motorcycle Roß Eugen Kraftfarher Dvr 741st MT Co (Kraftwagenpark) Kraftrad-Abteilung 741 Motorcycle Rost Alfred Kraftfarher Dvr 741st MT Co (Kraftwagenpark) Kraftrad-Abteilung 741 Motorcycle Rüdinger Ludwig Gefr 741st MT Co (Kraftwagenpark) Kraftrad-Abteilung 741 Motorcycle Schlegel Max Kraftfarher Dvr 741st MT Co (Kraftwagenpark) Kraftrad-Abteilung 741 Motorcycle Schlösser Hugo Kraftfarher Dvr 741st MT Co (Kraftwagenpark) Kraftrad-Abteilung 741 Motorcycle Schrage Franz Kraftfarher Dvr 741st MT Co (Kraftwagenpark) Kraftrad-Abteilung 741 Motorcycle Siemens Karl Gefr 741st MT Co (Kraftwagenpark) Kraftrad-Abteilung 741 Motorcycle Sievers Bernhard Sanit Gefr 741st MT Co (Kraftwagenpark) Kraftrad-Abteilung 741 Motorcycle Spiecker Gerhard Kraftfarher Dvr 741st MT Co (Kraftwagenpark) Kraftrad-Abteilung 741 Motorcycle Sturm Friedrich Gefr 741st MT Co (Kraftwagenpark) Kraftrad-Abteilung 741 Motorcycle Thomas Karl Kraftfarher Dvr 741st MT Co (Kraftwagenpark) Kraftrad-Abteilung 741 Motorcycle Tiersch Fritz Gefr 741st MT Co (Kraftwagenpark) Kraftrad-Abteilung 741 Motorcycle Voshaar Anton Kraftfarher Dvr 741st MT Co (Kraftwagenpark) Kraftrad-Abteilung 741 Motorcycle Weber Wilhelm Kraftfarher Dvr 741st MT Co (Kraftwagenpark) Kraftrad-Abteilung 741 Motorcycle Weinrich Georg Gefr 741st MT Co (Kraftwagenpark) Kraftrad-Abteilung 741 Motorcycle Weyhe Theodor von Gefr 741st MT Co (Kraftwagenpark) Kraftrad-Abteilung 741 Motorcycle Wulf Ferdinand Gefr 741st MT Co (Kraftwagenpark) Kraftrad-Abteilung 741 Motorcycle Wüst Mathias Kraftfarher Dvr 741st MT Co (Kraftwagenpark) Kraftrad-Abteilung 741 Motorcycle Is there any cause for the death of that one soldier Goeken Heinrich Kraftfarher Dvr died 24-9-18) cause not stated? 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charlie2 Posted 18 October , 2019 Share Posted 18 October , 2019 Heinrich Goeken was KiA Charlie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 18 October , 2019 Share Posted 18 October , 2019 (edited) Charlie, Thank mate, any ideas how? As a M/C unit it must have been used as messanger work I did notice I record these men who died on that date either in Palestine or around there? Bluth Otto Gefr 1701st (Armee-Fernsprech-Abteilung 1701) (Sig unit) Goeken Heinrich Kraftfarher Dvr 741st MT Co (Kraftwagenpark) Kraftrad-Abteilung 741 Motorcycle Graf Emil Sgt Divisions-Fernsprech-Abteilung 1703 (telephon) Sig Co Schulte-Kellinghaus Johann Gefr unknown (unit not stated?) ALH were around these areas, but Indian Horse with British Horse were also all over the place? Today, the Anzac Mounted Div with the 1 LH Bde advanced on Es Salt from Umm Es Shert, while the 2 LH Bde moved from El Helale to Ain HemarThe Aust Mounted Div with the 3 LH Bde stiill sent out patrols from Nazareth, while the 4 LH Bde moved from Afuleh to Beisan to Jisr El Mejamie. The 5 LH Bde was still patroling around Jenin less 15 LH who moved to join the 4 LH Bde.WoundedARTHUR George 4603 Pte LH Reinf to Reinf camp 6-17 to CTD 8-18 tos CSqn/03 LHR 8-18 WIA 24-9-18 ankle injury minor on duty possibly during move from Umm Es Shert to Es Salt to hosp (malaria) 10-18 rtn 2-19 RTA MU malariaKRAFT Herbert Fredrick 57173 Pte 3 GSR SA to CTD 7-18 tos CSqn/9 LHR 9-18 (Lt Masson C Troop & Maj Charley's C Sqn) WIA 24-9-18 L/foot accident SIW shot himself cleaning rifle at El Afule rtn 1-19LESLIE Richard McDonald 17996 Spr 1+2 Fld Trps tos L/Cpl "D" Field Troop & Bridge Trn 1 LH FSE 9-17 to 2/Cpl 10-17 DCM - for his work on water supply at Asluj and Bir Saba to A Troop 1 LH FSE 7-18 WIA 24-9-18 L/foot accident in horse fall near Es Salt WIA 20-12-18 bruised body, head & nose accident while in hosp beaten during disturbance by Italian Troops rtn 2-19 to UK leave (WA IR CMF 2 years)LYONS John Martin 9 Sig 05 LHR RHQ to B Sqn? rtn RHQ? WIA 7-8-15 R/arm shot reported hit in camp behind Chathams Post evac to (3 AGH) hosp 8-15 rtn 11-15 (G) to L/Cpl 2-16 to T/Sig/Cpl A Sqn 4-16 revert to B Sqn 6-16 WIA 5-8-16 R/arm shot in fighting at Katia rtn 10-16 to Sig/Cpl 3-17 qual Sig 8-17 WIA 24-9-18 L/hand shrapnel reported hit when shelled around noon by Turkish Mountain guns around Ain es Sir near Amman RTA 1914 leave later WWII Pte 2Bn VDC AKA John Martin Lyone (C Troop CSqn/1 LH CMF 1 year)WALGERS Norman 21293 Spr 1 FSE 17R to Eng Trg unit 6-18 tos A Field troop 1 LH FSE 8-18 WIA 24-9-18 R/hip accident in horse fall around Ain Hemar near Es Salt rtn 2-19 to T/2/Cpl (from gageler) 5-19 Ex depot disch 19-4-15 old injury (60 IR shown 5 LH CMF 2 years later WWII Civil Constructional Corps & Pte 2/1 Fld Wkshop) AKA Norman Potts Walgers Cheers S.B Edited 18 October , 2019 by stevebecker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie2 Posted 19 October , 2019 Share Posted 19 October , 2019 Sorry no, KiA is all the Verlustliste records. Charlie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prussian Posted 20 October , 2019 Share Posted 20 October , 2019 (edited) Hi Steve! That´s very interesting, because that unit was the only motorcycle unit in Turkey! It belonged to the "Kommandeur der Kraftfahrtruppe" in Nablus (former Kommandeur der Kraftfahrtruppen 8th turkish army) Here is a list about the german Kraftfahr-Truppen in Turkey: Leitung des Deutschen Kraftfahrwesens in der Türkei in Konstantinopel Personalnachschubstelle Konstantinopel Kraftwagenpark Konstantinopel Erzkolonne A in Kutahia Erzkolonne B in Arghana-Maden Erzkolonne C in Balia-Bergwerke Ernährungskolonne in Konia (KWK 508 ) Ernährungskolonne in Konia (KWK 509a) Kraftwagenkolonne 513 in Hassan-BeyliKdr. d. Kraftwagen Irak (früher K.d.K. 6. osmanische Armee) in Mosul Kraftwagenkolonne 501 in Tscham-Alan Kraftwagenkolonne 508a in Mosul Kraftwagenkolonne 508b in Tell-Helif Kraftwagenkolonne 509b in Nisibin Kraftwagenkolonne 511 in Tell-Helif Kraftwagenpark 514 Mosul Stokraft (Stabsoffizier der Kraftfahrtruppen) 771 (later Regimentskommandeur der Kraftfahrtruppen) in NazarethKdr. der Kraftwagen Syrien (früher K.d.K. 7. osmanische Armee) in Damaskus Armee-Kraftwagenkolonne 205 in Homa Armee-Kraftwagenkolonne 703 in Marrasch Armee-Kraftwagenkolonne 710 in Aman Armee-Kraftwagenkolonne 712 in Karak Armee-Kraftwagenkolonne 713 in Aman Armee-Kraftwagenkolonne 715 in Damaskus Armee-Kraftwagenstaffel 731 in Damaskus Armee-Kraftwagenpark 751 in Damaskus Kraftfahr-Ersatzabteilung F in Damaskus Kraftwagenkolonne 502 in Es Salt Kraftwagenkolonne 503 in Rajak Kraftwagenpark 504 in MouslemijeKdr. der Kraftwagen Palästina (former K.d.K. der 8. osmanischen Armee) in Nablus Armee-Kraftwagenkolonne 701 in Tul Kerim Armee-Kraftwagenkolonne 702 in Nablus Armee-Kraftwagenkolonne 704 in Nazareth Armee-Kraftwagenkolonne 705 in Nablus Armee-Kraftwagenkolonne 706 in Besan Armee-Kraftwagenkolonne 707 in Huwara Armee-Kraftwagenkolonne 708 in Sebastije Armee-Kraftwagenkolonne 709 in Besan Armee-Kraftwagenkolonne 711 in Nazareth Armee-Kraftwagenkolonne714 in NablusKraftradabteilung 741 in Nazareth Sanitäts-Kraftwagenabteilung 761 in Nazareth Kraftwagenkolonne 506 in Tul Kerim Kraftwagenkolonne 507 in Nablus Kraftwagenkolonne 515 in Sebastije Kraftwagenpark 505 in Tiberias Some columns were later divided. Thus column 512 became column 511 on June 4, 1918 and column 508b on June 4, 1918. The column 801 was destined for the Caucasus. Then I found: Kraftfahr-Sonderformation 500 in Bozanti Kraftwagenkolonne 513 in Amanus Kraftwagenkolonne 512 Kraftwagenkolonne 516 Erzkolonne D Erzkolonne E The above mentioned ore columns A-C and the last mentioned columns D and E were also called motor vehicle columns A-D. Unfortunately I don´t have any infos about the strength By the way, there is an interesting book (in german) about the fallen soldiers: Norbert Schwake: "Deutsche Soldatengräber in Israel" (ISBN 978-3-402-00231-5) https://www.aschendorff-buchverlag.de/detailview?no=00231 Edited 20 October , 2019 by The Prussian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 21 October , 2019 Share Posted 21 October , 2019 Mate, Many thanks. I was looking on how the German deployed their Companies around the Ottoman Empire. With such poor transport systems in Turkey, like poor railways and even worse roads. its a wonder the Ottoman Empire lasted as long as it did. But the idea of "the Poor man or Europe" had been around since the British were allied with them in the 1850's. Some other units I found could be amoung the units you gave, but along with the Military Mission there mixed together. It also appears units from Romania and Bulgaria show up in the Cemeteries of Istanbul, which make confirming all of them a chore. Cheers S.B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prussian Posted 22 October , 2019 Share Posted 22 October , 2019 Don´t forget the austrians... They also fought in Palestine! For theb germans you are right. There were three "waves". The Military Mission, Pascha I and Pascha II Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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