lucycutler Posted 12 October , 2019 Share Posted 12 October , 2019 (edited) Hi Guys, I came across this nice photograph at a boot fair the other day. The man I bought it off didn't rcognise the cap or collar badges. I've been though all of my reference books and neither can I. I've tried a magnifying glass and it looks a bit like a lion rampant holding a staff with a pennant on top. Could it be some sort of Cadet training establishment ? The uniform looks to me like it is new and also a bit too big for that matter. The only other info that I can give is the photographer's studio details on the card which says: " Alan Spicer Willis St, Wellington" Any ideas on regiment or other thoughts please ? Edited 12 October , 2019 by lucycutler change of image Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Broomfield Posted 12 October , 2019 Share Posted 12 October , 2019 (edited) New Zealand Rifle Brigade, . Edited 12 October , 2019 by Steven Broomfield Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucycutler Posted 12 October , 2019 Author Share Posted 12 October , 2019 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Steven Broomfield said: New Zealand Rifle Brigade, . Excellent Steven! Very many thanks. Edited 12 October , 2019 by lucycutler Typo, sorry! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 12 October , 2019 Share Posted 12 October , 2019 They wore the crest of the Earl of Liverpool as their insignia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucycutler Posted 12 October , 2019 Author Share Posted 12 October , 2019 3 hours ago, FROGSMILE said: They wore the crest of the Earl of Liverpool as their insignia. Thankyou Frogsmile, I'd translate the motto as Stand fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 12 October , 2019 Share Posted 12 October , 2019 1 minute ago, lucycutler said: Thankyou Frogsmile, I'd translate the motto as Stand fast. Yes, that was it. They had a good reputation and were affectionately regarded (in NZ known as the Dinks apparently). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pukman Posted 15 October , 2019 Share Posted 15 October , 2019 The Black Patch indicates he was in 1st battalion NZRB . I would say taken in late 1915, Cheers Iain (Unknown warriors of the NZEF Facebook page) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucycutler Posted 15 October , 2019 Author Share Posted 15 October , 2019 10 hours ago, pukman said: The Black Patch indicates he was in 1st battalion NZRB . I would say taken in late 1915, Cheers Iain (Unknown warriors of the NZEF Facebook page) Many thanks Iain. With the depth of knowledge on this forum, I fully expect someone to come up with his name next !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Upton Posted 16 October , 2019 Share Posted 16 October , 2019 On 15/10/2019 at 05:35, pukman said: The Black Patch indicates he was in 1st battalion NZRB . I would say taken in late 1915 Was the 1st Battalion the only one to use a coloured patch like that behind the cap badge, or were other battalions similarly designated but by different colours, etc? I ask as I am just wondering if the effect of orthochromatic film has been taken into account, eg: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pukman Posted 16 October , 2019 Share Posted 16 October , 2019 On 16/10/2019 at 03:53, lucycutler said: Many thanks Iain. With the depth of knowledge on this forum, I fully expect someone to come up with his name next !! I could try, my Face book page aimed at naming unidentified New Zealand WW1 soldiers . Cheers Iain/ Unknown warriors of the NZEF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pukman Posted 16 October , 2019 Share Posted 16 October , 2019 (edited) 6 hours ago, Andrew Upton said: Was the 1st Battalion the only one to use a coloured patch like that behind the cap badge, or were other battalions similarly designated but by different colours, etc? I ask as I am just wondering if the effect of orthochromatic film has been taken into account, eg: All the New Zealand Rifle Brigade patches were black , also seen being worn on the upper sleeve of tunics later in the war. Quote Edited 16 October , 2019 by pukman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacksdad Posted 18 October , 2019 Share Posted 18 October , 2019 They were called the 'fair dinkums' later shortened to 'Dinks'. They got the name by the old Gallipoli men, when the NZ Rifle Brigade was formed in 1916. They turned up with new issued uniforms and gear and the Gallipoli vets nicknamed them - tongue in cheek - as 'fair dinkum solders' (genuine solders), the Rifles proved themselves at Armentieres and later on the Somme and the nickname was shortened to The Dinks and a term of respect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucycutler Posted 18 October , 2019 Author Share Posted 18 October , 2019 Thank you Guys, Very impressed as always with the knowledge here on the Forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Broomfield Posted 20 October , 2019 Share Posted 20 October , 2019 (edited) Serendipity indeed: long story, but I saw a pie of Military Historical Society Bulletins yesterday, 1960's and 70's vintage. One had an article on the NZRB so I took the trouble to make notes. Each of the four Battalions of the Brigade wore the black patch as follows: 1st Bn: 1.5" square, diamondwise 2nd Bn: same, horizontal 3rd Bn: Equilateral triangle, apex uppermost 4th Bn: same, base uppermost. Bde HQ also wore a black patch - 8-pointed star. Initially these were worn on the hat (lemon squeezer presumable),, behind the badge and on both sides. Latterly (post May-1916) they moved to the top of the sleeves. Nicely agrees with Pukman's notes. If you'd like a copy of the article, PM me an email address Edited 20 October , 2019 by Steven Broomfield Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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