Helen91 Posted 4 October , 2019 Share Posted 4 October , 2019 Can anyone help with this photo as well please. He is my Great Grandfather. This is Fred King ww1 18th Hussar's (Possibly) I dont know any other information. He didnt die in the war and is buried at Saltburn Cemetery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Michelle Young Posted 4 October , 2019 Admin Share Posted 4 October , 2019 Welcome to the forum. It looks like Machine Gun Corps to me. 18th Hussars was a smaller, round badge. Michelle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin DavidOwen Posted 4 October , 2019 Admin Share Posted 4 October , 2019 Do you have any other details on Fred? DOB, place of birth, marriage etc. There are a lot of Fred Kings in Hussars and MGC and none match the numbers listed on the card. Possibly a red herring bu there is a Gilbert Rigley King 20166. Gilbert was not in the Hussars or MGC but in Middlesex Regt. He was born in Leicestershire. He ended up in the RDC as a Lance Sergeant and no overseas service so no medals. I haven't found any other Kings under 20116, 13373 or 13378. Good luck with your research David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helen91 Posted 4 October , 2019 Author Share Posted 4 October , 2019 i think he was born in 1891 Whitby He married 1919 to louise moore in houghton lee spring 1939 he was a process chemical worker in billingham died 26th january 1951 aged 60 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Michelle Young Posted 4 October , 2019 Admin Share Posted 4 October , 2019 Are the numbers to do with the photographic studio? Michelle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaySearching Posted 4 October , 2019 Share Posted 4 October , 2019 (edited) The numbers at the top of the postcard may also be red herrings Possibly being the photographers reference marks 13773 King 2 at 16 ? Ray Edit Michelle types faster than me Edited 4 October , 2019 by RaySearching Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helen91 Posted 4 October , 2019 Author Share Posted 4 October , 2019 Hi i dont know they have always been on the card. So i honestly could not say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaySearching Posted 4 October , 2019 Share Posted 4 October , 2019 (edited) Did Frederick have another forname? Here is one from the locality between Billingham and Saltburn any reference to the above address among family folklore Edit 46 Ayresome Green Lane Middlesbrough Edited 4 October , 2019 by RaySearching Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 4 October , 2019 Share Posted 4 October , 2019 (edited) I agree with Michelle that the mounted soldier in the photo is from the Machine Gun Corps and probably its cavalry branch, whose shoulder title was MGC with a separate C beneath. Most men for that branch of the corps transferred in from the cavalry. A clincher for me is that as well as a mounted duty 03 bandolier he has a cavalry pattern sword fitted to his saddle. Edited 4 October , 2019 by FROGSMILE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helen91 Posted 4 October , 2019 Author Share Posted 4 October , 2019 Frederick George King is his full name as far i know i cant read the address other than than the number. Sorry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaySearching Posted 4 October , 2019 Share Posted 4 October , 2019 i cant read the address other than than the number. Sorry Have edited post 8 with address Ray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helen91 Posted 4 October , 2019 Author Share Posted 4 October , 2019 i will have to do some more looking into where everyone lived and see Thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helpjpl Posted 4 October , 2019 Share Posted 4 October , 2019 (edited) 1. Ancestry has service papers for a Frederick King, born abt 1889 Durham, which shows: 11th Cavalry Reserve Regt 18 Hussars 2nd M Gun Squadron https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?dbid=1219&h=1093804&indiv=try&o_vc=Record:OtherRecord&rhSource=2352 2. Medal Roll: https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/5119/41629_625537_9777-00108?pid=6101397&backurl=https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?_phsrc%3DLYy54%26_phstart%3DsuccessSource%26usePUBJs%3Dtrue%26indiv%3D1%26dbid%3D5119%26gsln%3DKing%26cp%3D11%26_F8007A65%3D41388%26new%3D1%26rank%3D1%26uidh%3Dicz%26redir%3Dfalse%26gss%3Dangs-d%26pcat%3D39%26fh%3D0%26h%3D6101397%26recoff%3D%26ml_rpos%3D1&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=LYy54&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true&_ga=2.229748191.256743597.1570193997-1063917251.1570193997 JP Edited 4 October , 2019 by helpjpl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 4 October , 2019 Share Posted 4 October , 2019 (edited) I think you’ve got him JP. Certainly looks good to me. It appears that he transferred to the MGC (C) on 17th May 1916. Edited 4 October , 2019 by FROGSMILE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helen91 Posted 4 October , 2019 Author Share Posted 4 October , 2019 Hi Ray Middlesborough is half an hour from me so i think that will be him. What with him being buried in saltburn and all the areas there match up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helen91 Posted 4 October , 2019 Author Share Posted 4 October , 2019 Thank you JP Im unable to open the links would you me able to tell me whats on the Medal Roll please? Helen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helpjpl Posted 4 October , 2019 Share Posted 4 October , 2019 31 minutes ago, helpjpl said: 1. Ancestry has service papers for a Frederick King, born abt 1889 Durham, which shows: 11th Cavalry Reserve Regt 18 Hussars 2nd M Gun Squadron See 11th Reserve Regiment of Cavalry here: https://www.longlongtrail.co.uk/army/regiments-and-corps/cavalry-regiments/the-reserve-regiments-of-cavalry/ JP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 4 October , 2019 Share Posted 4 October , 2019 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Helen91 said: Hi Ray Middlesborough is half an hour from me so i think that will be him. What with him being buried in saltburn and all the areas there match up. The chap that JP found above seems a better match, Helen, with correct name and regimental chronology. From LLT: 18th (Queen Mary’s Own) Hussars August 1914 : at Tidworth, part of 2nd Cavalry Brigade in Cavalry Division. Moved to France and landed at Boulogne 16 August 1914. 16 September 1914 : Cavalry Division renamed as 1st Cavalry Division. Fred was posted to his regiment in 1915 and transferred the following year. Edited 4 October , 2019 by FROGSMILE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helen91 Posted 4 October , 2019 Author Share Posted 4 October , 2019 15 minutes ago, FROGSMILE said: The chap that JP found above seems a better match, Helen, with correct name and regimental chronology. From LLT: 18th (Queen Mary’s Own) Hussars August 1914 : at Tidworth, part of 2nd Cavalry Brigade in Cavalry Division. Moved to France and landed at Boulogne 16 August 1914. 16 September 1914 : Cavalry Division renamed as 1st Cavalry Division. Fred was posted to his regiment in 1915 and transferred the following year. Then after that hes had gone onto the 2nd M Gun Squadron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 4 October , 2019 Share Posted 4 October , 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Helen91 said: Then after that hes had gone onto the 2nd M Gun Squadron Yes, which was a unit of the Machine Gun Corps (Cavalry), whose cap badge he wears in your photograph. 2nd Machine Gun Squadron MGC: formed 28 February 1916 for 2nd Cavalry Brigade in 1st Cavalry Division. Machine gun sections taken from 4th Dragoon Guards, 9th Lancers and 18th Hussars. Edited 4 October , 2019 by FROGSMILE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helen91 Posted 4 October , 2019 Author Share Posted 4 October , 2019 https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D3249816 Looks like this matches up as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 4 October , 2019 Share Posted 4 October , 2019 27 minutes ago, Helen91 said: https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D3249816 Looks like this matches up as well. Yes, that’s the one alright. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaySearching Posted 4 October , 2019 Share Posted 4 October , 2019 I think JP has also got him All we need is confirmation that his mother was Emily King (aged 60 in 1911) who can be found on the 1911 census residing at Hedworth Road Boldon Colliery also residing at the address is her son Frederick King aged 20 employed as an engineman below ground The details corresponding with the Service papers found by JP Ray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaySearching Posted 4 October , 2019 Share Posted 4 October , 2019 The family in 1889 at Newbottle Durham Name Age George F King 44 Emily King 41 Martha King 15 Eliza King 11 George King 7 Elizabeth King 4 Frederick King 4/12 Ray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helen91 Posted 4 October , 2019 Author Share Posted 4 October , 2019 51 minutes ago, RaySearching said: The family in 1889 at Newbottle Durham Name Age George F King 44 Emily King 41 Martha King 15 Eliza King 11 George King 7 Elizabeth King 4 Frederick King 4/12 Ray I have no idea if it is right for his parents. Thats as far back as i got as a guess. Which could also mean that he wasn't born in whitby. I definatly know he married Louisa as there both next to each other in the grave yard. Marraige record and they had Maud Hurworth King that was my grandma. So i know all of those bits are correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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