soldiers effects cwgc make change

[veklee]

good afternoon does anyone know when soldiers effects were recorded (year ) as I have a query with cwgc about numbers on the grave of h s howes  the following is my mail to cwgc and there reply hope this is understandable thanks barry
H O Howes
[Harold O Howes]
Regiment or Corps:
Royal Field Artillery, Army Service Corps
Regimental Number:
87596, S4/199031
and
Name:
Harold Stanley Howes
Birth Place:
Stratford, London, E.
Death Date:
26 Jul 1917

Royal Horse Artillery and Royal Field Artillery
Regimental Number:
94307
cwgc give the number 87596 for Harold osward on there site as the correct number as this is the number on soldiers effects every where else gives 94307 this includes a correction in in newspapers saying the number is 94307.
ive been in touch with cwgc and they say quote
As mentioned in my previous email, the documentation I have available to me agrees with the information we presently record on our database and our website. The soldiers effects register has an authority date initially of the 31st August 1918 however then re-authorised on the 31st October 1919 presumably due to lack of contact from the pension receiver, his father Harold.
 

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The effects records were created across the whole war - typically it was undertaken within a few months of death (the war gratuity entry was added retrospectively to deaths pre 1918).

At the point of creation of the CWGC and Effects records they would be working from separate documentation - the effects records information went back and forwards with the War Office and paymaster before being settled so very few errors in numbering crept in.

 

It is possible that at some point he did hold a number 94307 as men could, in some cases, be renumbered.

 

Craig

[RaySearching]

What we have here are two different soldiers with similar names whose service numbers have been inexplicitly mixed up on the medal rolls

 

Harold Stanley Howes CWGC entry

 

Effects record

 

 

medal roll  for Harold Stanley Howes   Gur 94307 RFA

 

Medal roll for Harold Oswald Howes   87596 RFA

 

 

at this point in time I would conclude that CWGC entry is correct 

and an error was made  mixing up the two soldiers named Howes when the medal rolls were compiled

 

if you look at Harold Oswalds M.I.C his medals were returned for adjustment

 

Ray

 

Edit images courtesy of Ancestry  

Edited 3 October , 2019 by RaySearching

[veklee]

thanks craig /ray did u note the correction from the war office published later in the year giving the right names and numbers 

thanks

barry

[veklee]

hi ray maybe h o howes had the wrong initial on his medal ill carry on looking deeper . h o came from wilseden and h s from highams park 

thanks

barry

[sadbrewer]

14 hours ago, RaySearching said:

What we have here are two different soldiers with similar names whose service numbers have been inexplicitly mixed up on the medal rolls

 

Harold Stanley Howes CWGC entry

 

Effects record

 

 

medal roll  for Harold Stanley Howes   Gur 94307 RFA

 

Medal roll for Harold Oswald Howes   87596 RFA

 

 

at this point in time I would conclude that CWGC entry is correct 

and an error was made  mixing up the two soldiers named Howes when the medal rolls were compiled

 

if you look at Harold Oswalds M.I.C his medals were returned for adjustment

 

Ray

 

Edit images courtesy of Ancestry  

 

Hi Ray

   There was undoubtedly some confusion at the War Office....this correction to the casualty list was published on Dec 24th 1917....just imagine the distress this must have caused to the family on Christmas Eve if they hadnt been informed properly.

[RaySearching]

 

The correction still being incorrect 

 

Ray

[sadbrewer]

Sorry if I'm mistaken....was H O killed at all?

[veklee]

no he wasn't killed it looks like he had previous service in 1906 but no records for 1914-18

ive been trying wills but site is messing about , that's even if his there

 

[RaySearching]

For the record

 

Harold Oswald Howes survived the war and was demobilised and placed in Class Z reserves on the 15th February 1919

 

 

 

Ray

[veklee]

re cwgc

GunnerHOWES, HAROLD STANLEY

Service Number 94307

Died 26/07/1917

"D" Bty. 38th Bde.
Royal Field Artillery

Son of Harold and Elizabeth Howes, of Chingford, Essex.

 

amended to the correct number 

thanks for all your inputs appreciated

barry