Guest Posted 3 October , 2019 Share Posted 3 October , 2019 I suspect that-while the Union still exists-there may be a fellow GWF member in North Britain who has info. on this. I have a local casualty, a Londoner born and bred who ended up with 1CSR after the disbanding of cyclists companies. He was badly wounded in the Cameronians trench raid of 4th June 1916 -lost his right eye- and died on 16th June. It looks like the raid was fairly well regarded as successful and a sort of role model for such things but any first-hand account of 1 CSR or this raid would be welcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Lang Posted 3 October , 2019 Share Posted 3 October , 2019 51 minutes ago, voltaire60 said: I suspect that-while the Union still exists-there may be a fellow GWF member in North Britain who has info. on this. I have a local casualty, a Londoner born and bred who ended up with 1CSR after the disbanding of cyclists companies. He was badly wounded in the Cameronians trench raid of 4th June 1916 -lost his right eye- and died on 16th June. It looks like the raid was fairly well regarded as successful and a sort of role model for such things but any first-hand account of 1 CSR or this raid would be welcome. See attached... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 3 October , 2019 Share Posted 3 October , 2019 Thanks Tom- I have WD- My man is Needham. I have the rather scarce history of the Cameronians for the war years booked for Saturday at BL but this looks like there should be some other accounts of it- esp. the officers concerned. My knoweldge of the Cameronians is extremely limited- to one argument at a pub quiz I ran- how many regiments are named after those not Royals (D of Wellington, Green Howard-but also Cameronians). Thank you for the help- Scottish military history can be something of a blank to us English. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Lang Posted 3 October , 2019 Share Posted 3 October , 2019 Please allow me to remind you that the WD available is a "Certified True Copy". Therefore the original is gone. Have you tried the Brigade, etc., level WDs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Lang Posted 3 October , 2019 Share Posted 3 October , 2019 The 33rd Div, 19th Bde WD is available on ancestry (spit...)... Nothing of note on that date. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Lang Posted 3 October , 2019 Share Posted 3 October , 2019 May I suggest that you contact Barrie Duncan, a GWF member. He is the 'local' expert on all things Cameronians, and is a volunteer at the Cameronians Museum in Hamilton. http://www.cameronians.org/museum/ Kindest Regards, Tom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skipman Posted 4 October , 2019 Share Posted 4 October , 2019 (edited) The 33rd Division Diary mentions it and if you can find App AD (I can't) there should be a report on the raid. Click Mike Edited 4 October , 2019 by Skipman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 4 October , 2019 Share Posted 4 October , 2019 10 hours ago, Tom Lang said: May I suggest that you contact Barrie Duncan, a GWF member. He is the 'local' expert on all things Cameronians, and is a volunteer at the Cameronians Museum in Hamilton. http://www.cameronians.org/museum/ Kindest Regards, Tom. Thank you Tom-I shall do. I have several casualties killed in trench raids but this one seems well covered- the WD suggests that there should be more-as Mike says below. My point on this is to give some sense of individuality to each of my local casualties- and if there is a story to be told about how they met their ends, then that is a way lot better than just a long list of "KIA" with dates. The leader of the raid, Captain David Evans was himself killed in action on 20th July 1916-I am not sure for what he won his MC as yet. It may just tell a bit more about Needham-esp. the Divisional Diary that Mike mentions having an Appendix. The clue to their being-possibly-a bit more is that the Cameronians WD is unusual in mentioning OR casualties by name. 4 hours ago, Skipman said: The 33rd Division Diary mentions it and if you can find App AD (I can't) there should be a report on the raid. Click Mike Thanks Mike- Phew!! You had me very worried there- You mentioned "App"-For one dreadful moment a techno-cretin like me thought you meant the accursed things found on mobile phones (whatever they are) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Lang Posted 4 October , 2019 Share Posted 4 October , 2019 8 hours ago, Skipman said: The 33rd Division Diary mentions it and if you can find App AD (I can't) there should be a report on the raid. Click Mike See attached page 267 of 820. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Lang Posted 4 October , 2019 Share Posted 4 October , 2019 ... and page 250 of 820. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 4 October , 2019 Share Posted 4 October , 2019 Fantastic- I am becoming a fan of divisional diaries- I thought they merely recorded the contents of a Major-General's drinks cabinet. Now I know better. Thank you Tom for your interest and attention to this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skipman Posted 4 October , 2019 Share Posted 4 October , 2019 Well found Tom Lang, not sure how I missed that. It was early, that's my excuse. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Lang Posted 4 October , 2019 Share Posted 4 October , 2019 5 hours ago, Skipman said: Well found Tom Lang, not sure how I missed that. It was early, that's my excuse. Mike Yeah, Yeah, Yeah..., Yeah, Yeah, Yeah... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skipman Posted 4 October , 2019 Share Posted 4 October , 2019 3 minutes ago, Tom Lang said: Yeah, Yeah, Yeah..., Yeah, Yeah, Yeah... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 5 October , 2019 Share Posted 5 October , 2019 Thank you-BOTH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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