Hyacinth1326 Posted 16 September , 2019 Share Posted 16 September , 2019 Note the dipped fore mast and spotting top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaeldr Posted 16 September , 2019 Share Posted 16 September , 2019 Was this in order facilitate passage down the Tyne? The December 1911 edition of The Marine Engineer and Naval Archtiect seems to hint that it may have been Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyacinth1326 Posted 16 September , 2019 Author Share Posted 16 September , 2019 In order to negotiate the Redheugh, King Edward and especially the High level bridges. The road deck of the latter was high but the arches were not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaeldr Posted 16 September , 2019 Share Posted 16 September , 2019 (edited) Thanks for that reminder. The photograph also shows just how tight the fit was as the ship passed between central island formed by the Swing Bridge [seen left] and the river bank. On a personal note, the Redheugh Bridge will not be forgotten by me. I was working near there in the mid-1960s and as the office junior, I stepped out of the car with my arms full of the equipment. I couldn't reach the door-handle properly and closed the car door leaving behind a few milimetres off the tip of one of my fingers. A nice clean guillotine action and I didn't feel a thing at that same moment, but it certainly hurt later! Edited 16 September , 2019 by michaeldr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyacinth1326 Posted 16 September , 2019 Author Share Posted 16 September , 2019 Ouch ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeeCeeCee Posted 22 September , 2019 Share Posted 22 September , 2019 (edited) The same happened with Agincourt (x2). Edited 22 September , 2019 by TeeCeeCee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyacinth1326 Posted 23 September , 2019 Author Share Posted 23 September , 2019 Lovely image Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaeldr Posted 23 September , 2019 Share Posted 23 September , 2019 Thanks TCC, What a great photograph! First of all the detail on the ship is interesting: no barrels on the B turret, but already with torpedo netting booms I wonder what the date of the photograph is? I presume that she is going down the Tyne pior to her sea trails in July 1914, and that at this stage she was still the Ottoman battleship Sultân Osmân-ı Evvel Off topic - This exiled Geordie recognises St Nicholas' cathedral's Scottish Crown and the castle, but what is seen on the sky-line to the left? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seaJane Posted 23 September , 2019 Share Posted 23 September , 2019 20 minutes ago, michaeldr said: sky-line to the left? St Mary's Church, across the river? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedley Malloch Posted 23 September , 2019 Share Posted 23 September , 2019 On 16/09/2019 at 11:11, michaeldr said: The photograph also shows just how tight the fit was as the ship passed between central island formed by the Swing Bridge [seen left] and the river bank. The width of the channel between the Swing Bridge and the bank determined the maximum beam on British warships in the Edwardian era because all ships had to be able to sail up to Elswick to be fitted with their guns. The Customs House on the opposite bank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaeldr Posted 24 September , 2019 Share Posted 24 September , 2019 Thanks for those ideas SJ & Hedley You're right that the Customs House was on the opposite bank, but I think it's just out of frame (to the right) here The distinctive roof-top clock suggests it is the Guildhall which is seen above the forecastle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyacinth1326 Posted 24 September , 2019 Author Share Posted 24 September , 2019 (edited) ...with St Nicholas Cathedral crown tower and the Norman castle rearing up on the skyline. Take away the soot, the smoke and signs of heavy industry and the view, taken from the Gateshead side, is still easily recognisable today. The Guildhall is one of those fascinating architectural sandwiches. Destined to be turned into a hard rock cafe 1780s classical without but three distinct late mediaeval buildings within. Off topic - 'This exiled Geordie recognises St Nicholas' cathedral's Scottish Crown and the castle, but what is seen on the sky-line to the left?' The Turnbull Warehouse rearing up above The Close Edited 1 October , 2019 by Hyacinth1326 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeeCeeCee Posted 24 September , 2019 Share Posted 24 September , 2019 23 hours ago, michaeldr said: Thanks TCC, What a great photograph! First of all the detail on the ship is interesting: no barrels on the B turret, but already with torpedo netting booms I wonder what the date of the photograph is? I presume that she is going down the Tyne pior to her sea trails in July 1914, and that at this stage she was still the Ottoman battleship Sultân Osmân-ı Evvel Off topic - This exiled Geordie recognises St Nicholas' cathedral's Scottish Crown and the castle, but what is seen on the sky-line to the left? I too like the old photos of the dreadnoughts. Regards her 'trials', wouldn't she need to be in finished state and ready for handing over before she ran her trials? As along with engines, manoeuvrability, etc, they also test armament and everything else. So she'll need a further spell of fitting out down-river somewhere where they re-assemble the masts, complete the main turrets, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner Hall Posted 25 September , 2019 Share Posted 25 September , 2019 Check out https://www.navygeneralboard.com/hms-agincourt/ for some very interesting reasons why the guns were not fitted. And why the heads were designed in the way they were...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaeldr Posted 28 September , 2019 Share Posted 28 September , 2019 Thanks for that link GH TCC - your post No.13 above was nearer the mark than mine see GH's link - In June 1914 the Sultan Osman I finally preceded under her own steam down the Tyne, for her final fitting out. Her tripod masts had to be hinged downward in order to pass under several bridges, but she made the journey without incident. Now it was hoped to see the ship on her trials by the end of June................ On 7th July, 1914 “Sultân Osmân-ı Evve” (Sultan Osman 1) sailed into the North Sea for the first for her trials. Regarding the financial aspect of the take over of the Sultân Osmân-ı Evvel see my post No.2 here regards Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner Hall Posted 30 September , 2019 Share Posted 30 September , 2019 BTW, That link supplied earlier - suggests that the guns were not fitted to "Thursday" turret, but TeeCeeCee's wonderful photo shows that "Monday" was toothless. Can't see the 5th turret of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaeldr Posted 9 October , 2019 Share Posted 9 October , 2019 (edited) On 24/09/2019 at 17:17, TeeCeeCee said: I too like the old photos of the dreadnoughts. For all who like such photos Heart of Oak [ https://twitter.com/HMWarships ] probably has some more good ones like this Edited 9 October , 2019 by michaeldr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaeldr Posted 10 October , 2019 Share Posted 10 October , 2019 (edited) https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dz_6O5kW0AESvLw.jpg also from the Heart of Oak site mentioned above 'Lord Nelson' on the Tyne in 1910 Edited 10 October , 2019 by michaeldr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaeldr Posted 11 October , 2019 Share Posted 11 October , 2019 The armoured cruiser HMS Bacchante is also to be seen on the 'Heart of Oak' site, https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ds2MM5UW0AAqF69.jpg though HoO is a little too brief on her service in the Great War. Bacchante's battle honours included the Dardanelles, as well as Heligoland. Bacchante can be seen here http://anzacportal.dva.gov.au/hms-bacchante-gallipoli as sketched from Gallipoli by Capt. L F S Hore, 8th Light Horse Regiment. There are also some details of her activity at the Dardanelles in1915 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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