Carnkie Posted 15 September , 2019 Share Posted 15 September , 2019 A photograph has just come to light having been unseen for about 60 years. It comes from a collection of photographs by Major Grainger H. Hargreaves RE and like most of his pictures it is carefully annotated with names. However, I am unable to identify the officers from the notes and I wonder If anyone might be able to help out. The notes give a name, rank and regiment(?) for each man but I cannot sort out the order. i know that Hargreaves is front row, first on the left. The photograph is named: D Mess, Fourth Army, Cassell. From his other notes I would think the year was 1916. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jay dubaya Posted 15 September , 2019 Share Posted 15 September , 2019 (edited) Back row from left Capt Hull, Capt Cooper, Major Cotton, Major Webb. Front row from left Capt Hargreaves, Lt Gardiner, Capt Allmond, Capt Smythe J Edited 15 September , 2019 by jay dubaya Webb should read Wedd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnkie Posted 15 September , 2019 Author Share Posted 15 September , 2019 (edited) Thanks, that was very quick. Perhaps you could explain: CA, I and Q. Presumably GS is General Service. i have just noticed that some of the men have an armband on their right arm. What is the significance of this. Edited 15 September , 2019 by Carnkie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxD Posted 15 September , 2019 Share Posted 15 September , 2019 (edited) They are the (shortened) appointments they held. GS - GSO - General Staff Officer (there were GSO lll and GSO ll appointments at that level) Q - Assistant Adjutant and Quartermaster General I - Intelligence CA - Staff captain A (administrative) See Terry Reeves correction below Re - Royal Engineers ie the RE rep on the staff RA = Royal Artillery ie the RA rep on the staff The RA and RE are from their regiments, someone with an eye for collar badges (where they are worn, mostly staff tabs) could perhaps check which regiments the others belong to. Max Edited 15 September , 2019 by MaxD Correction Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxD Posted 15 September , 2019 Share Posted 15 September , 2019 (edited) Deleted - rubbish. Max Edited 15 September , 2019 by MaxD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark1959 Posted 15 September , 2019 Share Posted 15 September , 2019 Think Wedd is Aubrey Pattisson Wallman Wedd 1885-1945. Just trying to get definitive proof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxD Posted 15 September , 2019 Share Posted 15 September , 2019 Not sure about the date. Could that be the ribbon of the Croix de Guerre he is wearing - published in April 1918. (MC published May 1918, MiD May 1917) Max Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnkie Posted 15 September , 2019 Author Share Posted 15 September , 2019 Re: Croix de Guerre. Are you referring to Grainger Hargreaves? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry_Reeves Posted 15 September , 2019 Share Posted 15 September , 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, MaxD said: They are the (shortened) appointments they held. GS - GSO - General Staff Officer (there were GSO lll and GSO ll appointments at that level) Q - Assistant Adjutant and Quartermaster General I - Intelligence CA - Staff captain A (administrative) Re - Royal Engineers ie the RE rep on the staff RA = Royal Artillery ie the RA rep on the staff The RA and RE are from their regiments, someone with an eye for collar badges (where they are worn, mostly staff tabs) could perhaps check which regiments the others belong to. Max Captain A Almond was Chemical Adviser (CA) to 4th Army, appointed 3 March 1916. He came under the auspices of Directorate of Gas Services. TR Edited 15 September , 2019 by Terry_Reeves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxD Posted 15 September , 2019 Share Posted 15 September , 2019 Terry - thank you for the correction - amended my post. Yes - unless there are two of them; https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/30631/supplement/4524 Max Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry_Reeves Posted 15 September , 2019 Share Posted 15 September , 2019 19 minutes ago, MaxD said: Terry - thank you for the correction - amended my post. Yes - unless there are two of them; https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/30631/supplement/4524 Max Max I can't see another Almond in the LG page you posted. TR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxD Posted 15 September , 2019 Share Posted 15 September , 2019 The LG page was for (then) Temp Lt Grainger Hope Hargeaves RE in answer to Carnkie's query. Max Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnkie Posted 15 September , 2019 Author Share Posted 15 September , 2019 Thank you all very much for the help. Grainger Hargreaves had a camera with him when the 210th Field Company RE went to Suez. He kept records of dates and places. What a great record to uncover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin W Taylor Posted 15 September , 2019 Share Posted 15 September , 2019 Hi, Some were still present in July 1918 when there is a list of personnel which include: Cotton is likely Maj W E L Cotton MC Worcs Regt (TF) - DAQMG - further supported by what looks like an MC ribbon. I agree that Wedd is Bt Maj A P W Wedd RE - down as Staff Offr to Chief Engr Cooper is likely Lt (T Capt) H O Cooper RFA (SR) - Staff Offr for Reconnaissance The other names are not recorded and were presumably no longer present by this time. I can't remember where there is a list of arm bands and colours but I'm sure these equated to branches. However, I presume these won't add much if we already know the roles of many of these men. Regards Colin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry_Reeves Posted 15 September , 2019 Share Posted 15 September , 2019 45 minutes ago, MaxD said: The LG page was for (then) Temp Lt Grainger Hope Hargeaves RE in answer to Carnkie's query. Max Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark1959 Posted 15 September , 2019 Share Posted 15 September , 2019 (edited) Captain Eric Hamilton Smythe Intelligence Corps? Edited 15 September , 2019 by Mark1959 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark1959 Posted 15 September , 2019 Share Posted 15 September , 2019 And is the absentee Kenneth Thackeray Gooch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxD Posted 16 September , 2019 Share Posted 16 September , 2019 Previous thread on staff armbands. Max Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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