arantxa Posted 12 September , 2019 Share Posted 12 September , 2019 These buckets have tripods I haven’t seen before is it for quick front line movement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave1418 Posted 12 September , 2019 Share Posted 12 September , 2019 Hi it’s a sangster portable tripod which is an extremely rare item these days although the leather carry box it came in originally are easier to find. if you google it you’re bound to find a lot more regards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Upton Posted 12 September , 2019 Share Posted 12 September , 2019 https://vickersmg.blog/in-use/accessories/mountings-and-stands/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 30 September , 2019 Share Posted 30 September , 2019 (edited) So, the photo is captioned 'Booty won by the Infanterie-Regiment König Wilhelm I (6. Württembergisches) Nr. 124, 11th April 1917'. One German source has this to say for the regiment about that time and on that day: 10. April 1917 - Stellungskämpfe bei Cagnicourt 11. April 1917 - Abwehr eines australischen Tankangriffes Edited 30 September , 2019 by trajan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
new3.2 Posted 30 September , 2019 Share Posted 30 September , 2019 May I hijack this thread to ask about the canvas cover on the Vickers water jacket? New 3.2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Broomfield Posted 1 October , 2019 Share Posted 1 October , 2019 On 12/09/2019 at 20:26, Andrew Upton said: https://vickersmg.blog/in-use/accessories/mountings-and-stands/ Andrew, thanks for the link; extremely interesting. However, I'm slightly surprised that it doesn't (so far as I can see) mention use of the Vickers by cavalry regiments and, later, cavalry MG Squadrons during the GW. I recall a long and bitter discussion with an ex-member in which he asserted that the infantry and cavalry both continued to use the Maxim at the outbreak of war, whereas I was able to show that cavalry had received Vickers possibly before infantry units, the 10th Hussars recording receipt while at Potchefstroom in (IIRC) 1913. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave1418 Posted 1 October , 2019 Share Posted 1 October , 2019 21 hours ago, new3.2 said: May I hijack this thread to ask about the canvas cover on the Vickers water jacket? New 3.2 Hi what in particular do you wish to know. I have only seen one original made from strong canvas with 8 brass eye holes each side. The interior had off white/grey coloured material inside which I suspect was asbestos by looking at it so I didn’t open it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
new3.2 Posted 1 October , 2019 Share Posted 1 October , 2019 Thanks for the reply Dave- I have a 1916 Vickers & tripod that is a "non-gun" as identified by the US ATF. I wondered how common they were, and if there are repros available. Ken (new3.2) I will PM you on a Kent question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Upton Posted 2 October , 2019 Share Posted 2 October , 2019 (edited) On 30/09/2019 at 20:58, new3.2 said: May I hijack this thread to ask about the canvas cover on the Vickers water jacket? 15 hours ago, Dave1418 said: what in particular do you wish to know. I have only seen one original made from strong canvas with 8 brass eye holes each side. The interior had off white/grey coloured material inside which I suspect was asbestos by looking at it so I didn’t open it up. 15 hours ago, new3.2 said: Thanks for the reply Dave- I have a 1916 Vickers & tripod that is a "non-gun" as identified by the US ATF. I wondered how common they were, and if there are repros available. The type of jacket cover Dave mentions wasn't officially adopted until the 1930's, so are essentially a WW2 onwards accessory. Reproductions are widely available in non-asbestos lined display friendly versions, eg: https://www.thegunner.net/ccp8/index.php?app=ecom&ns=prodshow&ref=vickers-wrap-british&sid=bill0n6qiot18d0l5o9r93t608d7vfdn However, photos showing units with unofficial in-house made covers during WW1 do exist (see below). If you want an appropriate WW1 style jacket cover, dig out an old grey army blanket and get sewing... Source: Goldsmith, Grand Old Lady, 1994, page 97: Edited 2 October , 2019 by Andrew Upton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Fisher Posted 2 October , 2019 Share Posted 2 October , 2019 On 01/10/2019 at 09:01, Steven Broomfield said: Andrew, thanks for the link; extremely interesting. However, I'm slightly surprised that it doesn't (so far as I can see) mention use of the Vickers by cavalry regiments and, later, cavalry MG Squadrons during the GW. I recall a long and bitter discussion with an ex-member in which he asserted that the infantry and cavalry both continued to use the Maxim at the outbreak of war, whereas I was able to show that cavalry had received Vickers possibly before infantry units, the 10th Hussars recording receipt while at Potchefstroom in (IIRC) 1913. Hi Steven, The site only has limited information on the use of the Vickers by cavalry units but it is there, just not on the mountings and stands page. Some of the specific unit pages have a little more information, including some of the first attendees of the Machine Gun courses on the Vickers. Yet there’s only so many spare hours in the day to get through it all and share as much as I can. Here are a couple of example links. I’ll update the British Service page though as it’s very Infantry focussed. https://vickersmg.blog/in-use/british-service/the-british-army/2nd-dragoon-guards/ https://vickersmg.blog/in-use/british-service/the-british-army/machine-gun-corps/machine-gun-corps-cavalry/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Fisher Posted 2 October , 2019 Share Posted 2 October , 2019 On 12/09/2019 at 16:55, Dave1418 said: Hi it’s a sangster portable tripod which is an extremely rare item these days although the leather carry box it came in originally are easier to find. if you google it you’re bound to find a lot more regards Dave, I think you’re confusing the oil can case with a case for the auxiliary mounting. They are often marked mountings tripod but this because they were originally attached to the Mk III tripods and carried the mounting pins alongside cans of oil. I’m not aware of a leather case for the auxiliary tripod. There are a few photos towards the end of this page https://vickersmg.blog/in-use/accessories/load-carrying-equipment/ On 12/09/2019 at 15:19, arantxa said: These buckets have tripods I haven’t seen before is it for quick front line movement As already identified, it’s an auxiliary tripod for use as you suggest. Andrew has posted the link to our website but here’s a short video on the mounting and some firing from it. Firing the Vickers MG on the Sangster Mount Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Broomfield Posted 2 October , 2019 Share Posted 2 October , 2019 31 minutes ago, Richard Fisher said: Hi Steven, The site only has limited information on the use of the Vickers by cavalry units but it is there, just not on the mountings and stands page. Some of the specific unit pages have a little more information, including some of the first attendees of the Machine Gun courses on the Vickers. Yet there’s only so many spare hours in the day to get through it all and share as much as I can. Here are a couple of example links. I’ll update the British Service page though as it’s very Infantry focussed. https://vickersmg.blog/in-use/british-service/the-british-army/2nd-dragoon-guards/ https://vickersmg.blog/in-use/british-service/the-british-army/machine-gun-corps/machine-gun-corps-cavalry/ Thanks. I shall make a pot of tea and have a good rummage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Fisher Posted 2 October , 2019 Share Posted 2 October , 2019 31 minutes ago, Steven Broomfield said: Thanks. I shall make a pot of tea and have a good rummage If there’s something specific you’re looking for then I’ve literally terabytes of information that isn’t on there so I can deep dive that for specific data. Rich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave1418 Posted 2 October , 2019 Share Posted 2 October , 2019 Richard Ive seen several examples with different markings and specific ones marked for oil cans. The one that made me think was marked .303 tripod short as opposed to the usual markings hence why I thought it was for the sangsters tripod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Finneran Posted 5 October , 2019 Share Posted 5 October , 2019 It seems many members have cleared up what I was to add to. Barrel jacket covers in various forms were in use in WWI and even used on brass maxims .455 and the common leather case was for many things but not the tripod....it does not even fit in. I have some original period photos (pre-handbook plates) showing the auxiliary tripods attached to the pack saddlery but no stand alone case/cover. I also have an original sangster if anybody requires one that came attached to a German maxim 08!!! Finally there are also period photos of Imperial German machine gunners using the sangster.... against their original owners!!!!! Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
new3.2 Posted 6 October , 2019 Share Posted 6 October , 2019 Dave & Andrew- Thanks for the cover information, I should have looked up my copy of Goldsmith. I think I will try the gray blanket for my display. Ken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Finneran Posted 7 December , 2019 Share Posted 7 December , 2019 Please contact me if an original sangster is required. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arantxa Posted 8 December , 2019 Author Share Posted 8 December , 2019 Fantastic picture. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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