Looking for a last know address

[Barry Russell]

Good evening all,

I'm trying to help out a family in my area in finding their Great Uncles grave.

Their Great Uncle was 

Sgt. Jeremiah O'Leary 5548 Irish Guards.

I have all the basic stuff such as MIC, was looking for a last know address possibly listed on a pension as he survived the war and died in Ireland.

Thanks all.

[Keith_history_buff]

6 minutes ago, Barry Russell said:

Sgt. Jeremiah O'Leary 5548 Irish Guards.

I have all the basic stuff such as MIC, was looking for a last know address possibly listed on a pension as he survived the war and died in Ireland.

Hi Barry,

I would think there's a good possibility that he's on a pension card that the WFA have saved from destruction. The next wave of digitised cards will be coming out soon, but this is in relation to deceased soldiers. The subsequent release will cover the remaining cards for the men who survived the war, but I don't know when this will be done by Ancestry.

Do you happen to know when he left the army? Did he stick around long enough to be renumbered in August 1920?

As I understand it - and I may be wrong, so am hoping for clarification from others - I got the impression that the records of the Coldstream Guards, and those of the other regiments of the Brigade of Guards were transferred from Birdcage Walk to the Army Personnel Centre in Glasgow in September 2018.

I presume that the APC will have surviving WW1 records for these men.

Best of luck

Keith

[corisande]

HIs Pension card shows that he suffered from Concussion of Brain & Spinal Cord.And it is on the card at 100% disablement

 

And he lived at 16 Upper Dublin Hill , Cork

[corisande]

There

5 minutes ago, corisande said:

And he lived at 16 Upper Dublin Hill , Cork

 

There is only 1 Jeremiah O'Leary living at "Dublin Hill, Cork" in 1911 census, but he is only 13, which is probably not your man

 

There is a 17 year old "Jeremiah Leary" living at Dublin Hill , Cork. Which could be him. Do you know his parents. Afraid Jerimiah O-Learys are 10 a penny in Cork

 

One has to establish his age and parents in order to get his death .

 

In theory it should be possible with a little more info from you

[IPT]

If it helps, he had a brother, 8059 Timothy O'Leary, Royal Irish Regiment, who was killed in 1914 - https://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/1560105/o'leary,-timothy/ 

 

Son of Kate O’Leary and the late Timothy O’Leary of 16 Upper Dublin Hill Cork 

[corisande]

13 minutes ago, IPT said:

If it helps, he had a brother, 8059 Timothy O'Leary, Royal Irish Regiment, who was killed in 1914

 

Thanks, that should , but I have run out of time tonight

 

I cannot get parents marriage in Irish GRO - problem is it can be Leary or O'Leary , and she can be Kate, Katie. Katherine or Catherine

 

Ditto, there should be enough there to get them in 1911 or 1901 census, but that has eluded me

 

The father's death to should be findable, and with some at least of the above Jeremiah's date of birth from Irish GRO. That leads to Irish GRO deaths, but without a DOB there are too many Jeremiah (O') Leary

[George Rayner]

Ancestry has Fold3 pension here

https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=61588&h=212133&tid=&pid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=Yiy21840&_phstart=successSource

 

I don't have a subscription to that

 

George

Sorry Corisande has already covered that...

 

Mentioned on FMP here

https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=S2%2FGBM%2FMH106%2FMH106-731%2F0021&parentid=GBM%2FMH106%2F197257

 

trench feet 19.3.17-31.3.17 19 A.T. (?)

 

 

Edited 1 September , 2019 by George Rayner

[Dai Bach y Sowldiwr]

1 hour ago, Barry Russell said:

Good evening all,

I'm trying to help out a family in my area in finding their Great Uncles grave.

Their Great Uncle was 

Sgt. Jeremiah O'Leary 5548 Irish Guards.

I have all the basic stuff such as MIC, was looking for a last know address possibly listed on a pension as he survived the war and died in Ireland.

Thanks all.

You're in luck,

The Irish Genealogy Website list 144 Jeremiah O'Learys who died up to 1999 and all the death certificate entries are free to access. there you can cross check literally their last known address and next of kin.

https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/

If you can tie down the year of his death, that would probably give you a list of only 3 or 4.

If you don't know exactly. then by guesstimating his date of birth, you could try and work out if any of the list of deceased match your man.

Of course, his address at the time of his death  doesn't specifically tell you where he is buried, but it would tell you where to concentrate your/their efforts.

And, we assume his name is  spelt Jeremiah or Jermiah...

[corisande]

 

35 minutes ago, Dai Bach y Sowldiwr said:

You're in luck,

The Irish Genealogy Website list 144 Jeremiah O'Learys who died up to 1999

 

I see we have Welshman with an Irish sense of humour

[Dai Bach y Sowldiwr]

2 minutes ago, corisande said:

I see we have Welshman with an Irish sense of humour

Well. Having too much information is far better than having none at all innit?

 

Seriously though.

The OP's friend must have some idea of when his Great Uncle died?

Can they find out?

 

Let's say we're working on a year of birth of around 1894? (Can't see the Fold 3 Record cards myself. Could someone please confirm?)

For example, If he died in the 1960s, 27 candidates can be whittled down to only 3 who had an age compatible with year of birth of 1893-95.

(2 in Bandon, 1 in Cork)

Not too many to look for in the (free) Death Certificate registers.

[corisande]

9 hours ago, Dai Bach y Sowldiwr said:

(Can't see the Fold 3 Record cards myself. Could someone please confirm?)

 

Fold 3 cards do not have his birth, but have payments through to 1927, but it is not clear if he died then, or they went onto another card.

 

The only hard data on the card is as I put it on my post #3 above

 

I note that the OP was online an hour ago, but has chosen not to add anything here !

[George Rayner]

Brother Timothy on FMP

Place of Birth : Ireland St Ann's, Cork
Cemetery/Memorial : Pas de Calais France LE TOURET MEMORIAL Panels 11 and 12
Father : Timothy O'Leary
Nature of Death : Killed in Action The Battalion received orders to attack Le Pilly. Although they drove the Germans out they were left dangerously exposed and the next day they were surrounded and overwhelmed.
Addresses : Bullens Alley, Cork Ireland Parents
Jobs : Cork Ireland Manure Factory Labourer
Place of Death : France Le Pilly, Pas de Calais
Mother : Kate O'Leary
Religion : Roman Catholic
Age On : 32

https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=GBM%2FLIVES%2F3308496

 

Looking through Family trees that gives mother as

Cathleen (Kelleher) but appears the wrong date

 

George

[corisande]

33 minutes ago, George Rayner said:

Addresses : Bullens Alley, Cork Ireland Parents

 

Getting somewhere no. That gives 1901 census with the family at Bullens Alley

 

Correct parents (Timothy and Kate). brother Timothy is correct age , and gives Jeremiah as aged 6  in 1901

 

 

[George Rayner]

Have I missed how old Jeremiah was?

b 1894(?) so 20 in 1914 certainly eligible to be in forces?

 

George

[little bob]

Not a very good scan but could this be the man

 

Bob

[Dai Bach y Sowldiwr]

41 minutes ago, little bob said:

Not a very good scan but could this be the man 

Bob

Yes, he's a strong candidate.

A bit bigger:

 

[corisande]

I tried to find his death this morning and failed.

 

The problem is that presumably he was hospitalised and died as a result of what is shown on his pension card, complete with 100% disability

 

The pension card also appears to indicate that he was still alive in 1927, but does not mention a death date

 

I could not get anything with a 1894 birth, perhaps others can do better

[little bob]

Thank you Dai.

 

Bob

[Dai Bach y Sowldiwr]

Possibilities:

These have ages at death compatible with being born 1893-95.

 

Death of Jeremiah O'LEARY in 1960

Group Registration ID	1907454
SR District/Reg Area	Bandon
Deceased Age at Death	65

 

Death of JEREMIAH O'LEARY in 1961

Group Registration ID	2935637
SR District/Reg Area	Cork
Deceased Age at Death	68

There are a few more if you want 1892-96.This one's just outside:

Death of JEREMIAH O'LEARY in 1964

Group Registration ID	2833858
SR District/Reg Area	Bandon
Deceased Age at Death	72

 

Edited 2 September , 2019 by Dai Bach y Sowldiwr

[corisande]

3 hours ago, Dai Bach y Sowldiwr said:

Possibilities:

These have ages at death compatible with being born 1893-95.

 

I know they are possible, but the problem is that there is nothing to link any of these deaths to the Jeremiah O;Leary, who in 1927 was still  receiving a 100% disability pension as a result of war wounds received about 10 years earlier

 

The OP who has been on the forum today, has not done us the courtesy of acknowledging anything that has been written in the thread

 

My feeling is that without further input, we are unlikely to make any more progress

[Barry Russell]

Thank you all for your Input so far, the family have confirmed that Jeremiah lived in Dublin Hill, Co. Cork at some stage after the war, he came back from war in a wheelchair which he remained in for the rest of his life, the family have most of his military material including his medals, the family are trying to find his final resting place which may or may not be in Cork (but likely in my opinion)

I'll keep going through the death records but I thought his pension card may have held a valuable clue, and maybe it does.

@corisande I appreciate your help and Input, I didn't get a chance to digest all the comments and come back with a reasonable response during my working day.

[Dai Bach y Sowldiwr]

1 hour ago, corisande said:

My feeling is that without further input, we are unlikely to make any more progress

I agree entirely.

[ss002d6252]

The pension ledger does tell us that in Dec 1921 he was receiving Constant Attendance Allowance. This was being paid in to 1927 on the card but in Sep 1927 there is a reference to 'W & D 13/D/6933' - this is the Widows and Dependent Branch for a dependent claim. This would suggest that he may have died at that time.

Craig

[ss002d6252]

I suspect he is entry #384 on the death register - https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1927/04969/4352931.pdf

 

Craig

[IPT]

I believe that he is buried in Dunbullogue Cemetery, Cork

 

Jeremiah O'Leary    35yrs     Pensioner  Married     Dublin Hill   Buried July 14th 1927

 

The person having management of the interment was Timothy O'Leary, Badgers Hill.

 

Cork archives - http://www.corkarchives.ie/media/cc-cy-du, Dunbullogue Part 3, 31 August 1922 - 24 Dec 1932.pdf