Help with German unit marking please

[Steve1871]

An S98/02 I bought, Unit marking has a block "F" then a script "?" Then block "A" and numbers, seller thought script "T", I really do not know for sure, have never seen it before, few more pic's on post....my first S98/02, bottom of post..... I use to seeing script "R" for reserve mixed in with block letters, Does anyone have this script letter on a bayonet or scabbard to compair or a book that shows it . Thank you guys.  Steve

[Steve1871]

[The Prussian]

Hi Steve!

Never seen! I can´t say anything to the strange S. The other one (L.A.)  could be

1) Luftschiffer-Abteilung

2) Lehrbatterie (Training battery) of Feldartillerie Schießschule

3) Landwehr-Bataillon Augsburg

[Steve1871]

You think it is an "S" and not a "T", I do not know. I found the same script letter on my newest S71, this is a S71 mit sage, I was going to do post later, could you post both bayonet letter to your German post please.. Also, did you get any more replys on that strange Unit on butt plate of Kar. K71??

Thank's, hope I not asking too much, Steve

[The Prussian]

I will show the photos in our german forum. Unfortunately no further infos on Kar.71.

[Steve1871]

Sounds great , thanks for your help👍 on that Kar 71, was hoping some expert would take it as a challenge? Guess not too many interested in the old stuff?

Ir was great that you tried, thanks again.  

With two Bayonet's to have that script letter, you found no reference. Maybe FRANZ. Or CARTER identified a bayonet with my mystery letter?

 

But first, it is Sunday, enjoy your day off with some beer or ale

Steve

[The Prussian]

Well, in Franz I couldn´t find an italic S.

Italic letters were B, E, G, H, J, K, L, R, V

With a little imagination it also could be a G.

F.G. stood for Festungs-Gouvernement. But there was no additional letter like A. We didn´t have a forteress with an A.

Strange...

[Steve1871]

Thanks Andy for checking, if it might be a "T", what do you think it could be?Does not look like a "G", but I just do not know, have two Bayonet's now with this mystery script letter???

Hmmm, the Mystery continues😳

[The Prussian]

To me it´s not a T.I haven´t seen an italic T before. In the stamp ordres no italic T is mentioned

[Steve1871]

Thank's Andy, will quit hoping it is a "T",   But the same script letter on both a S71 pioneer and a first year 98/02. ('02) might mean the letter, whatever it is, would be pre- 1909 Regulations, not sure, think 

TRAJAN mentioned in his MANY post's, a 1902 set of regulation's as well. 

 

A real mystery here!

 

[zuluwar2006]

My humble opinion is that this  is F.T.A

which means Festungs Teleraphen Ateilung

a lot of misunderstanding has cause this italic letter, but this is the correct reading on this marking.

very nice Steve

Regards

D.

 

Edited 2 September , 2019 by zuluwar2006

[Steve1871]

Thank's  D'  , if it is a T  with all your rare marked bayonets, do you have this letter?

 On the S71, a G and this letter,do you know what that would mean?

[zuluwar2006]

steve

this is a very rare unit marking and i do not have any.

regards

d.

[Steve1871]

Thank's. D'

On the S71 saw back, on pommel, do you have any idea what script GT would mean?

[Steve1871]

I just notice, with both bayonet's  having sane mystery script letter, S. P. T. Who knows, clearly same letter on both but different font. So is not some one- off, at least 2 different armoures made stamp's for this letter in script

[The Prussian]

Hello!

Wacker/Görtz says, F.T.A. is Funken-Telegraphenabteilung (with an italic T) not Festungs-Telegraphen-Abteilung

Franz says, F.T.A. is Funker-Telegraphen-Abteilung (with an italic F)

[Steve1871]

If that is an italic T then you are right !!?!

Semitrios is sure it is T and Kulian sure it is not, but you seem to be the first, and only one to match F.T.A. With second italic this is unit Mark 

 

on the S71, the mark is more an acceptance Mark?  Script/italic G.T.   Would that be somehow telegraph too?

[The Prussian]

The G.S. won´t be an unit.

Well, I said, what FTA could be, BUT I stil do not see a T.

[Steve1871]

I just notice, with both bayonet's  having same mystery script letter, S. P. T. Who knows, clearly same letter on both but different font. So is not some one- off, at least 2 different armoures made stamp's for this letter in script

It does not look like a T or an S, maybe a P

[AndyBsk]

The small italic GS on pommel of S71 is for Gebrueder Simson, also well known firm of Suhl, the letter in unit is identical probably not T more a handwritten S,when was not used sutterlin or other older german font?. The F letter looks like added later, there is a nummeral under it 3?  Depend to where it was accepted as some smaller parts of DR were used different fonts, maybe the regulation of 1909 has similar sript font.

Edited 31 October , 2019 by AndyBsk

[Steve1871]

Hey Andy, there was a big debate on what that “ script “ letter is/was

 

Have you found a good reference or are you guessing/ think so? 
I have a few Simpson bayonets. And they do not have this script letter?

[AndyBsk]

The italic GS is visible only on early production pieces, prior 1880, i assume post this date there was no similar marking, is pictured in Roy W. Volume 1 and in german F.Ruediger bayonet books.

About S or T italic i dont know in unit, as dont have the 1909 refulation, anyway there was a different unit under the F ? A stamp, so it should be normally a Pionier unit S98/02 later used by Festungs area?