Pirate Posted 31 August , 2019 Share Posted 31 August , 2019 Hi everyone. I'm looking for help on information about 41206 H THIRKELL The medal says D. 103/BDE:RFA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 31 August , 2019 Share Posted 31 August , 2019 FMP have four records https://www.findmypast.co.uk/search/results?sourcecategory=armed+forces+%26+conflict&lastname=thirkell&soldiernumber=41206&keywordsplace_proximity=5&sourcecountry=great+britain FWR have four records https://www.forces-war-records.co.uk/namesearch/?FirstName=Herbert&Surname=Thirkell&RecordType=NotSelected&RecordDateStartYear=1700&RecordDateEndYear=2019&Step=1 ...as does ancestry https://www.ancestry.com/search/categories/39/?name=Herbert_Thirkell&keyword=41206&keyword_x=1&name_x=1_1 All the same sets I would surmise George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonbem Posted 31 August , 2019 Share Posted 31 August , 2019 Here is the Gazette entry for the MM SUPPLEMENT TO THE LONDON GAZETTE, 29 AUGUST, 1917. 9001 https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/30259/supplement/9001 Header on previous page 9000 His Majesty the KING has been graciously pleased to award the Military Medal for bravery in the Field to the undermentioned Non-Commissioned Officers and Men: — regards Jon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonbem Posted 31 August , 2019 Share Posted 31 August , 2019 The MIC shows entry to France 25 Aug 1915 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirate Posted 31 August , 2019 Author Share Posted 31 August , 2019 Chear jon id never of found that. Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirate Posted 31 August , 2019 Author Share Posted 31 August , 2019 18 minutes ago, George Rayner said: FMP have four records https://www.findmypast.co.uk/search/results?sourcecategory=armed+forces+%26+conflict&lastname=thirkell&soldiernumber=41206&keywordsplace_proximity=5&sourcecountry=great+britain FWR have four records https://www.forces-war-records.co.uk/namesearch/?FirstName=Herbert&Surname=Thirkell&RecordType=NotSelected&RecordDateStartYear=1700&RecordDateEndYear=2019&Step=1 ...as does ancestry https://www.ancestry.com/search/categories/39/?name=Herbert_Thirkell&keyword=41206&keyword_x=1&name_x=1_1 All the same sets I would surmise George I don't access to these sites unfortunately. can anyone download any images for me . Big thanks dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonbem Posted 31 August , 2019 Share Posted 31 August , 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Pirate said: tI don't access to these sites unfortunately. can anyone download any images for me . Big thanks dave We try to avoid that, after all, it is how the sites make their money, through subscriptions. Your local library could offer free access. Edited 31 August , 2019 by jonbem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonbem Posted 31 August , 2019 Share Posted 31 August , 2019 The war diary is available for £3.50 download at National Archives HERE Reference:WO 95/2175/4 Description: 103 Brigade Royal Field Artillery Date:1915 Aug. - 1917 Oct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Michelle Young Posted 31 August , 2019 Admin Share Posted 31 August , 2019 28 minutes ago, Pirate said: I don't access to these sites unfortunately. can anyone download any images for me . Big thanks dave Asking people to do this on your behalf is also against the forum rules. Michelle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonbem Posted 31 August , 2019 Share Posted 31 August , 2019 (edited) 32 minutes ago, jonbem said: Your local library could offer free access. If you do go, The war diary is on ancestry too, May 1917 starts HERE MM awards are often a couple of months before Gazette entry, though no guarantee of mention in diary. Edited 31 August , 2019 by jonbem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirate Posted 31 August , 2019 Author Share Posted 31 August , 2019 14 minutes ago, Michelle Young said: Asking people to do this on your behalf is also against the forum rules. Michelle Sorry Michelle I didn't realise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie962 Posted 31 August , 2019 Share Posted 31 August , 2019 Pirate, if you are still able to work the keyboard after getting your knuckles rapped: Thirkell was also reported wounded in the Daily Casualty List (available on those subscription sites !!) of 15/9/17. home Town (next of Kin) Ripon. The Casualty List normally came out a month after the wounding, suggesting actual wounding mid August 1917; probably a bit after the event for which his MM was gazetted, I suspect but.... Charlie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie962 Posted 31 August , 2019 Share Posted 31 August , 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, charlie962 said: home Town (next of Kin) Ripon That could lead to a Herbert Thirkell b 1885 Rippon who you can find on the Ripon Census 1901 son of Henry and Mary, brother of Charlie. It's the only hit I got for Ripon but I could have missed something ? There is a service record on Findmypast for a Herbert Thirkell of Ripon, b 1884, enlisted 1902. Worth checking out. Charlie also has a surviving service record so, if Herbert's file is inconclusive, Charlie's might give a reference to him under next of kin ? (i don't have a sub so I cannot check further) Charlie Edited 31 August , 2019 by charlie962 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirate Posted 31 August , 2019 Author Share Posted 31 August , 2019 46 minutes ago, charlie962 said: That could lead to a Herbert Thirkell b 1885 Rippon who you can find on the Ripon Census 1901 son of Henry and Mary, brother of Charlie. It's the only hit I got for Ripon but I could have missed something ? There is a service record on Findmypast for a Herbert Thirkell of Ripon, b 1884, enlisted 1902. Worth checking out. Charlie also has a surviving service record so, if Herbert's file is inconclusive, Charlie's might give a reference to him under next of kin ? (i don't have a sub so I cannot check further) Charlie Cheers Charlie I'll try it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirate Posted 31 August , 2019 Author Share Posted 31 August , 2019 With help I've managed to find out he is mentioned in war dairys and got his MM on 14th July 17 at lankhof farm bunkers which is beween YPRES and SINT-Elooi I've attached a photo. If you zoom in it makes interesting reading. Does this mean he was mentioned in dispatches? DAVE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie962 Posted 31 August , 2019 Share Posted 31 August , 2019 1 minute ago, Pirate said: Does this mean he was mentioned in dispatches? No. He was awarded the MM. But the Diary entry that day doesn't say it was for acts 'that day'. Have you found any other clues ? Charlie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirate Posted 31 August , 2019 Author Share Posted 31 August , 2019 Only clue to when he may of won it is the date 12/7/17 on the same line his name is written. And on that day lankhof farm bunkers were under heavy fire most of the day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie962 Posted 31 August , 2019 Share Posted 31 August , 2019 1 minute ago, Pirate said: the date 12/7/17 Yes, that is the date that the award was authorised by II Corps. It could have been immediate. The 10th July was also a pretty active day. Perhaps it needs to be looked at at a higher level diary ? Charlie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirate Posted 31 August , 2019 Author Share Posted 31 August , 2019 4 minutes ago, charlie962 said: Yes, that is the date that the award was authorised by II Corps. It could have been immediate. The 10th July was also a pretty active day. Perhaps it needs to be looked at at a higher level diary ? Charlie How would I go about that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie962 Posted 31 August , 2019 Share Posted 31 August , 2019 The LongLongTrail here tells us this about 103 Bde RFA So it remained under 23 Division throughout the war. There may be something in the War Diary for Commander Royal Artillery 23 Div, or higher still. I don't have access to Ancestry who have copies of many of these so I cannot check, I'm afraid. There's going to be another Forumite who is better at this than I. But we're getting there ! Charlie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirate Posted 31 August , 2019 Author Share Posted 31 August , 2019 32 minutes ago, charlie962 said: The LongLongTrail here tells us this about 103 Bde RFA So it remained under 23 Division throughout the war. There may be something in the War Diary for Commander Royal Artillery 23 Div, or higher still. I don't have access to Ancestry who have copies of many of these so I cannot check, I'm afraid. There's going to be another Forumite who is better at this than I. But we're getting there ! Charlie Wow. Getting there yep😁 Think he made it though the war as no record on CWWG site. It's a shame the family couldn't keep them or felt they had to sell them because of hard times. I've also got a complete 18 per round so know what he was using. Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 31 August , 2019 Share Posted 31 August , 2019 Uhm...is it live? George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 31 August , 2019 Share Posted 31 August , 2019 (edited) London Gazette 30259 p 9001 28/08/17 His Majesty the KING has been graciously pleased to award the Military Medal for bravery in the Field to the undermentioned Non-Commissioned Officers and Men: — https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/30259/supplement/9003 George Edited 31 August , 2019 by George Rayner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirate Posted 31 August , 2019 Author Share Posted 31 August , 2019 9 minutes ago, George Rayner said: Uhm...is it live? George Hi George. It's totally safe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 31 August , 2019 Share Posted 31 August , 2019 Phew-the word 'complete' was a bit worrying George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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