Shell Casing Info

[Guest]

Hi all, just after some info on a shell casing my sister purchased for me after visiting Europe over 10 years ago. 

 

Stamped info on the bottom

Patronenfabrik Karlsruhe 1915 MRZ with a Crown emblem Ke 11 and ST 17

 

Length is 230mm diameter approx 80-82mm

 

Made from copper and brass 

 

Thanks in advance 

Shane 

NSW Australia

[Marilyne]

MRZ stands for März… so fabricated in march 1916

ST is for "Stärke"... relates to the charge.

80mm case is typical for the german field guns … going for the C/73 or C/79 … wild guess.

What the Ke11 stands for I have no idea….

 

M.

[MikB]

I think it's probably 77mm. for Feldkanone 96 and/or -16. Side view pic shows bellmouthing that accounts for the oversize diameter, and the 230mm length is correct. The C/73 and /79 used bagged charges, and whilst I don't know for certain they didn't use a cartridge case, if they did it wouldn't have ring-crimps on it.

 

I've found this site quite helpful:-

https://ator1149.home.xs4all.nl/wfm/ww1/ammunition2.html

[trajan]

On 26/08/2019 at 10:38, Shane Turner said:

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Patronenfabrik Karlsruhe 1915 MRZ with a Crown emblem Ke 11 and ST 17

 

 

 

 

On 26/08/2019 at 15:29, Marilyne said:

 

What the Ke11 stands for I have no idea….

 

Hi Shane,

 

Welcome to GWF! Nice markings - and nice socks!

 

The strenghtened case relates to a change in the standard propellant sometime in the early 20th century and to distinguish those cases that could use it and those that couldn't - but I have clean forgotten what the change was! 

 

The crowned Ke is an inspector's mark, but nothing more can be said about it I'm afraid

 

Trajan