Skipman Posted 25 August , 2019 Posted 25 August , 2019 (edited) I have the attached service sheet of Temp Engineer-Lieutenant Alexander T McGregor. It's very useful in that it tells me which vessel he served on, and when, but it that it? Is there a full service file for this man that gives enlistment date, medical etc, in the same way the Army have full service records. I would like to know a bit more about the man, when enlisted, where trained, periods of leave etc etc. Mike Edited 25 August , 2019 by Skipman
Kimberley John Lindsay Posted 25 August , 2019 Posted 25 August , 2019 Dear Mike, As far as RNR are concerned, I fear not. I have the 15 Trio to a RNR officer who Went to War in a Yacht (Albert Pepperell). Mid-war he requested Promotion from S.Lt to Lt., only to be told he lacked the required Ticket. However, he was asked if he was desirous of becoming a Lt., RNVR. He was. The 15 Star is named as a S.LT., RNR; the BWM and Victory, LT., RNVR. All I was able to find (apart from Navy List entries and a probable post-war Image) was a similar entry to that of the unfortunate McGregor... Kindest regards, Kim.
Skipman Posted 25 August , 2019 Author Posted 25 August , 2019 Thanks Kim. That's not so good then. I have the log book of one of the vessels he was on, available online, which is really intereesting and useful. Will have to get another from Kew. The ship I'm after is HMS Stephen Furness. There seems to be a number of log books available.how would log books of a vessel that was sunk have survived. ere these handed in when in port, or were copies kept? Mike
horatio2 Posted 25 August , 2019 Posted 25 August , 2019 "At the end of each calendar month, the Navigating Officer is to transmit, through the Captain to the Commander-in-Chief, a complete copy of the log book for the period signed by himself." KR&AI (1913) 1026.
horatio2 Posted 25 August , 2019 Posted 25 August , 2019 I see he was commissioned on 10/12/1914 which makes me think that, since he was apparently serving in HMS OCEANIC when she was lost in early September 1914, he was probably a White Star engineer and 'came with the ship' when she was commissioned as an Armed Merchant Cruiser in early August 1914.
Keith_history_buff Posted 25 August , 2019 Posted 25 August , 2019 1 hour ago, Skipman said: I have the attached service sheet of Temp Engineer-Lieutenant Alexander T McGregor. Hi, Is this the document in the ADM 240 series for Alexander Thomson McGregor ? Thanks Keith
Keith_history_buff Posted 25 August , 2019 Posted 25 August , 2019 44 minutes ago, Skipman said: There seems to be a number of log books available.how would log books of a vessel that was sunk have survived. ere these handed in when in port, or were copies kept? Mike From memory, during the 19th Century ships logs were seen as containing very important meteorological information. Historical reports for a given location could be consulted by a ship's captain, about to venture to that part of the world, to familiarise themselves with the weather as experienced by prior expeditions and the like. They would be periodically collected from ships that arrived in port, and I seem to recall there was a financial incentive for doing this. I think I read this in the following: Tracing Your Naval Ancestors Bruno Pappalardo (2003) ISBN 978-1-903365-37-3
Skipman Posted 25 August , 2019 Author Posted 25 August , 2019 Thanks Keith that's ineresting. It's a while since I downloaded that file but I believe it is the one you mention.. am almost tempted to pay the £3.50 to make sure. I'm almost certain and it seems to be the only document available from the NA for this man. Mike
horatio2 Posted 25 August , 2019 Posted 25 August , 2019 A peek at the ADM 240 'preview' confirms that is is the same record
Skipman Posted 25 August , 2019 Author Posted 25 August , 2019 35 minutes ago, horatio2 said: A peek at the ADM 240 'preview' confirms that is is the same record Thanks horatio2 I owe you a pint. Mike
Kimberley John Lindsay Posted 9 December , 2020 Posted 9 December , 2020 Dear All, I found a 1924 Football Club (Malborough, Devon - NOT Marlborough!) of Alfred Pepperell, attached. Unfortunately, from the beginning, I was on a red herring about his birth and death dates (which I now realise referred to a man of the same name, but two first names!). "My" man was ALFRED PEPPERELL, and was probably born in Malborough, Devon. Such is medal research: full of pitfalls...! Kindest regards, Kim.
Keith_history_buff Posted 9 December , 2020 Posted 9 December , 2020 On 25/08/2019 at 13:24, Skipman said: Thanks Keith that's interesting. It's a while since I downloaded that file but I believe it is the one you mention.. am almost tempted to pay the £3.50 to make sure. I'm almost certain and it seems to be the only document available from the NA for this man. Mike We don't know when the free downloads will come to an end. It may be worth taking the time to download it again.
Kimberley John Lindsay Posted 9 December , 2020 Posted 9 December , 2020 Dear Keith, Thanks for that. Most attentative, but Alfred Pepperell is my priority and no longer MacGregor... Kindest regards, Kim.
Kimberley John Lindsay Posted 15 December , 2020 Posted 15 December , 2020 Dear All. By chance, when researching an obscure RNR Midshipman, I chanced upon a Merchant Navy CR10 card to Albert Pepperell. This showed that he had a remarkable likeness to the aforemention 1924 photo. The birthdate was 23 August 1877, Salcombe, Devon (not Malborough, as thought, but Salcombe is "just up the road" from Malborough!). The card further showed that albert Pepperell, Mate, put to sea in "Dartmothian" on October 1919, and "Lorenzo" on February 1920... Kindest regards, Kim. Albert Pepperell CR10 Card.pdf
Skipman Posted 15 December , 2020 Author Posted 15 December , 2020 10 minutes ago, Kimberley John Lindsay said: I chanced upon a Merchant Navy CR10 card to Albert Pepperell. Where would one chance upon these? Mike
Kimberley John Lindsay Posted 15 December , 2020 Posted 15 December , 2020 Dear Mike, They cost 30 GBP per search (even when unsuccessful), by the Southampton City Council City Archives. The Archives Assistant is the very kind and understanding Mr Joe Baldwin. I have his tel. number and eMail address if you want to send me a Personal Message... Kindest regards, Kim.
KizmeRD Posted 16 December , 2020 Posted 16 December , 2020 (edited) Kim, The Orders and Medals Research Society published an article in one of their journals (September 2018) detailing the wartime experiences of Alfred Pepperell RNVR, entitled ‘To War in a Yacht’. Membership costs £25 per annum - but interesting anyway to know that other medal collectors have already comprehensively researched him. Bearing in mind your keen interest in this man, this may be something that you want to follow up on. MB https://omrs.org/news/omrs/september-journal-contents Edited 16 December , 2020 by KizmeRD
Kimberley John Lindsay Posted 16 December , 2020 Posted 16 December , 2020 Dear MB, Yes, I wrote that article, and am a long-time (since 1977) member of the OMRS. Having said that, many thanks for your kind notice! Kindest regards, Kim.
Kath Posted 16 December , 2020 Posted 16 December , 2020 15 hours ago, Skipman said: Where would one chance upon these? Mike, FindMyPast has them: https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=TNA%2FMSEA%2FBT350%2F20%2F33%2F203372&parentid=TNA%2FBT350%2F2130903824%2F1
Skipman Posted 16 December , 2020 Author Posted 16 December , 2020 2 hours ago, Kath said: Mike, FindMyPast has them: Ah, thank you very much indeed Kath. Mike
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