battle of loos Posted 5 October , 2019 Share Posted 5 October , 2019 goo evening, if you wish, I have on sale on the forum a batch of 2 out-of-series magazines that takes up the evolution of the uniform and equipment of the French soldier. regards michel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomb1302 Posted 5 October , 2019 Author Share Posted 5 October , 2019 51 minutes ago, battle of loos said: if you wish, I have on sale on the forum a batch of 2 out-of-series magazines that takes up the evolution of the uniform and equipment of the French soldier. @battle of loos Could you provide me a link? Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jools mckenna Posted 5 October , 2019 Share Posted 5 October , 2019 41 minutes ago, Tomb1302 said: @battle of loos Could you provide me a link? Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomb1302 Posted 6 October , 2019 Author Share Posted 6 October , 2019 15 hours ago, Jools mckenna said: Thank you Jools. I'll look into it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomb1302 Posted 10 October , 2019 Author Share Posted 10 October , 2019 (edited) A neat comparison of the evolution of gear as the war progressed. Any thoughts? The man on the left is Auguste Chartier. Edited 10 October , 2019 by Tomb1302 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robins2 Posted 10 October , 2019 Share Posted 10 October , 2019 when did they go to the steel helmet, not too much of a change although the uniform and equipment appear to be of better quality Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jools mckenna Posted 10 October , 2019 Share Posted 10 October , 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, robins2 said: when did they go to the steel helmet, They started to wear the M15 Adrain in about July 1915 but was fully adopted/issued in late 1915. Edited 10 October , 2019 by Jools mckenna Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robins2 Posted 10 October , 2019 Share Posted 10 October , 2019 2 minutes ago, Jools mckenna said: They started to wear the M15 Adrain in about July 1915 but was fully adopted in late 1915. thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomb1302 Posted 10 October , 2019 Author Share Posted 10 October , 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, robins2 said: when did they go to the steel helmet, not too much of a change although the uniform and equipment appear to be of better quality The steel helmet is the Adrian M15 (model from 1915). It was really distributed in late 1915 and truly recognized from 1916 - 1926. Good question! I'll also add that the uniforms are drastically different as well as the man on the right is wearing the Horizon Blue uniform, whereas Chartier is wearing the early war red and blue. Edited 10 October , 2019 by Tomb1302 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie962 Posted 10 October , 2019 Share Posted 10 October , 2019 Man on the right has 'smooth bulging buttons" so that suggests post 1920 according to michel? I'm still hoping someone will tell me the significance of the black spot under the number on the collar. Charlie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomb1302 Posted 10 October , 2019 Author Share Posted 10 October , 2019 1 minute ago, charlie962 said: Man on the right has 'smooth bulging buttons" so that suggests post 1920 according to michel? I'm still hoping someone will tell me the significance of the black spot under the number on the collar. Charlie Charlie, I was told the reflection of the light could affect the accuracy in dating according to buttons, a claim I think is fair. Additionally, the black spot under the regimental number is simply the 'flaming grenade' symbol for Infanterie - Just difficult to make out in this picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jools mckenna Posted 10 October , 2019 Share Posted 10 October , 2019 (edited) My example of the M15. You can see the original 1915 issue paint peaking through the later war darker blue paint. Also a chasseur's example. I think the gold colour was a primer, to make the original light blue sparkle. Edited 10 October , 2019 by Jools mckenna Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie962 Posted 10 October , 2019 Share Posted 10 October , 2019 4 minutes ago, Tomb1302 said: simply the 'flaming grenade' symbol for Infanterie Do you know when that was adopted ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jools mckenna Posted 10 October , 2019 Share Posted 10 October , 2019 The M15 next to the M16. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomb1302 Posted 10 October , 2019 Author Share Posted 10 October , 2019 I wonder what insight @battle of loos would share in regards to the buttons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
battle of loos Posted 11 October , 2019 Share Posted 11 October , 2019 good morning, the black spot under the regimental number (at the collar) is a small circle of colored fabrics that varies according to the Battalion. used from 1917. if it is a small flaming grenade, it would mean that it is legionnaires. but here because the uniform of the legion is brown identical to that of 1940 generalized to the whole French army. here is an example from the two books I propose for sale : regards michel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomb1302 Posted 11 October , 2019 Author Share Posted 11 October , 2019 4 hours ago, battle of loos said: good morning, the black spot under the regimental number (at the collar) is a small circle of colored fabrics that varies according to the Battalion. used from 1917. if it is a small flaming grenade, it would mean that it is legionnaires. but here because the uniform of the legion is brown identical to that of 1940 generalized to the whole French army. here is an example from the two books I propose for sale : regards michel @battle of loos, could you date the soldier with the Adrian I showed by amy chance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil andrade Posted 11 October , 2019 Share Posted 11 October , 2019 13 hours ago, Jools mckenna said: My example of the M15. You can see the original 1915 issue paint peaking through the later war darker blue paint. Also a chasseur's example. I think the gold colour was a primer, to make the original light blue sparkle. Were French soldiers instructed to wear the canvas anti flash covering that was so often used by British soldiers ? If so, what colour ? Phil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Upton Posted 11 October , 2019 Share Posted 11 October , 2019 4 minutes ago, phil andrade said: Were French soldiers instructed to wear the canvas anti flash covering that was so often used by British soldiers ? If so, what colour ? Originals and reproductions available on Ebay etc would say light khaki canvas covers were available, eg: http://eshop.mjlmilitaria.com/WW1-French-Infantry-Adrian-Helmet-with-Original-Field-Cover-DH1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil andrade Posted 11 October , 2019 Share Posted 11 October , 2019 Thank you, Andrew. Phil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
battle of loos Posted 11 October , 2019 Share Posted 11 October , 2019 good morning, your photo was taken after 1921. another detail that confirms this, the wearing of the "bonnet de police du commerce" mle 1918. the ammunition pouch are empty and no gas mask this photo shows a group of young recruits in training. they are framed by 3 'corporaux' and 1 '1ère classe'. regards michl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomb1302 Posted 11 October , 2019 Author Share Posted 11 October , 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, battle of loos said: good morning, your photo was taken after 1921. another detail that confirms this, the wearing of the "bonnet de police du commerce" mle 1918. the ammunition pouch are empty and no gas mask this photo shows a group of young recruits in training. they are framed by 3 'corporaux' and 1 '1ère classe'. regards michl Surely this picture isn't again postwar? Edited 11 October , 2019 by Tomb1302 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomb1302 Posted 11 October , 2019 Author Share Posted 11 October , 2019 Reading over again @battle of loos, which picture are you saying is post 1921? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
battle of loos Posted 11 October , 2019 Share Posted 11 October , 2019 4 hours ago, Tomb1302 said: Reading over again @battle of loos, which picture are you saying is post 1921? this picture : michel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomb1302 Posted 11 October , 2019 Author Share Posted 11 October , 2019 1 hour ago, battle of loos said: this picture : michel OH I see! We were confused then. I was referring to the shot of the single soldier wearing an Adrian. Is there any chance you could date that one for me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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