*HELP* Jack ernest moore - 1st lieutenant machine gun Corps

[Dai Bach y Sowldiwr]

1 minute ago, DavidOwen said:

Thanks Dai

The man in question suffered a supposed concussion as a result of an aircraft crash (evidence of the actual crash is questionable). Medical Boards record loss of vision (e faked) loss of visual acuity (similarly fakable) and headaches. The man is now considered a bit of a chancer, he was court martialled and subsequently charged in a number of civil courts with criminal offences. I haven't yet had the time to fully digest the Boards reports in his records but I think one mentions a skull fracture but as to evidence...

Thanks for helping.

David

Ah. OK.

No specific mention of Optic Neuritis though?

[DavidOwen]

16 minutes ago, Dai Bach y Sowldiwr said:

Ah. OK.

No specific mention of Optic Neuritis though?

Sorry, yes multiple mentions. When I get the chance I shall screen shot a relevant Medical Board report

[Dai Bach y Sowldiwr]

3 minutes ago, DavidOwen said:

Sorry, yes multiple mentions. When I get the chance I shall screen shot a relevant Medical Board report

OK, thanks.

[IPT]

Thank you, Mr Sowldiwr.

 

Apologies for making you climb up to the attic for the old medical text books, but it’s much appreciated 

[DavidOwen]

It looks as though faking it is unlikely as the Optic Discs in December 1915 are said to "red and neuritic".

 

Where did the malaria come from?

 

[DavidOwen]

By March 1917 the Ophthalmic Specialist could see no sign of optic neuritis

 

[DavidOwen]

Then in June 1917 the Optic Neuritis is being blamed on a Fracture at the Base of the Skull... someone is telling stories I suspect, first malaria now a skull fracture....

 

[DavidOwen]

In July, no sign of any Optic Neuritis...

 

 

By May 1918 the story has been embellished to include the alleged incident with an aircraft - "Was brought down by a shell whilst flying, returning from delivering despatches, was unconscious for five days"

 

Note the "?" after X-ray in Leeds....

 

[DavidOwen]

Then we have this, "No evidence of organic disease in the eyes to account for visual deficiencies" which is part of the May 1918 Board report.

 

[Dai Bach y Sowldiwr]

Hmmm.

This is interesting.

He has a head injury, the date and severity of which (as Dirty Harry would say) 'In all this excitement, I've forgotten myself'...

In December 1915, he is complaining of facial pain, and diminished vision. He is examined and found to have optic discs that are 'red and neuritic'.

By March 1917, there is no sign of optic neuritis in his discs.The ophthalmologist feels he is neurasthenic.

In June 1917, his subjective symptoms are worse, July ditto.

The history, the subjective symptoms vary. The objective signs, after initially being abnormal, have improved.

 

Sir William Osler used to tell the doctor to 'Listen to what the patient tells you, for he is telling you what is the matter with him' (or words to that effect.

What he means is that 90% of the time, you make the diagnosis on the history. Less than10% of the time after examination, and less than 5% of the time after special investigations.

And that is quite true here.

The elephant in the room is that he did have an abnormal disc on one occasion, which subsequently reverted to normal. That seems a genuine unfakeable finding.

I think the problem arises when what may have been something like a transient traumatic optic neuropathy (which usually causes a pale rather than a reddened disc, nevertheless...), caused by a genuine head injury is labelled optic neuritis. At that time, optic neuritis would have been a puzzling condition for clinicians to deal with, always aware of its possible association with untreatable MS. I think he gets labelled as having a potentially nasty disease (can I be judgemental and suggest that suits him down to the ground??), and the diagnosis becomes self perpetuating.

 

No tests existed at the time to confidently diagnose this, it was done generally on consideration of the  patient's symptoms. And we all know that symptoms fluctuate in MS, so once diagnosed, he doesn't even have to be consistent in repeating test results - visual acuity varies from test to test. It didn't matter.

 

Even today, once a patient is labelled with a condition, it is extremely difficult to undiagnose them.

I think he had a single  episode of post traumatic optic neuritis,  he was seen at a time when he had an undeniably abnormal optic disc, got labelled, got better, but the diagnosis always stayed in his record. But was able to take the label with him, which was a useful (although not literal) get out of jail card.

Edited 8 September , 2019 by Dai Bach y Sowldiwr

[Dai Bach y Sowldiwr]

25 minutes ago, DavidOwen said:

Then we have this, "No evidence of organic disease in the eyes to account for visual deficiencies" which is part of the May 1918 Board report.

 

 "...probably functional..."

 

I think that shows that the medical specialists strongly suspected by this time that he was faking it, but couldn't quite come to say it.

[DavidOwen]

AHA! A smoking gun. A medical board refers to him being injured on December 24th 1915, another his sick leave starting on December 28th. According to this he left his unit on December 15th 1915... Of course it could just be due to administrative error or a "failing memory".

 

 

[PRC]

2 hours ago, DavidOwen said:

Then we have this, "No evidence of organic disease in the eyes to account for visual deficiencies" which is part of the May 1918 Board report.

 

 

"Memory somewhat poor" -  good excuse for a man trying to juggle all those stories.

 

Presumably there is no reason given in the War Diary as to why he left his unit - it seems unlikely to have been home leave although as there is no reference as to where the alleged accident took place other than during this mysterious airflight it does remain a possibility.

 

Cheers,

Peter

[DavidOwen]

2 hours ago, PRC said:

 

 

 

Presumably there is no reason given in the War Diary as to why he left his unit - it seems unlikely to have been home leave although as there is no reference as to where the alleged accident took place other than during this mysterious airflight it does remain a possibility.

 

Cheers,

Peter

 

I can now confirm there is absolutely no mention of 2nd Lt Wind in the war diary for 7th Bn KOYLI during the period September 1915 - February 1916 inclusive. It does note 3 officers being posted to the Bn in the period August - October inclusive but they are not named.

 

Little activity around the period he is said to have left the Bn i.e. Dec 15th. No mention of any officers hurt or to hospital.

 

There is a mention of a heavy bombardment on 27th December in which 1 officer is named as dying and another evacuated as suffering from "shock & bruises" after a shell hit an Officers' dugout - neither is Wind.

 

I can confirm that according to the Army Lists 2nd Lt G S Wind is listed as serving in 7th (Service) Bn KYOLI in December 1915, no mention of attachment to RFC.

[DavidOwen]

So if he was a merchant seaman before the war he may have contracted malaria (early reason for loss of sight) then. Any way we can check his merchant marine record?

 

Secondly, who would be our go to expert re the alleged aircraft crash on or around 15th December 1915 (brought down by a shell whilst returning from delivering despatches)?

[HolymoleyRE]

34 minutes ago, DavidOwen said:

Secondly, who would be our go to expert re the alleged aircraft crash on or around 15th December 1915

David,

 

Even if only attached I would expect to see an RFC\RAF Casualty Card... I can't see one for him, caveated by I am not 100% sure when they started using them. But certainly pre RAF accidents/crashes/wounds & attached pilots are record on them. 

 

Andy 

[DavidOwen]

52 minutes ago, HolymoleyRE said:

David,

 

Even if only attached I would expect to see an RFC\RAF Casualty Card... I can't see one for him, caveated by I am not 100% sure when they started using them. But certainly pre RAF accidents/crashes/wounds & attached pilots are record on them. 

 

Andy 

Thanks Andy!

[DavidOwen]

So, moving on to the Courts Martial of Lt Wind - yes he was tried twice on the same four charges.

 

The first time the trial took place at Brocton Camp on  22nd September 1916 and he was found guilty of conduct to the prejudice or good order of military discipline in that he had dressed in the uniform a naval officer to which he was not entitled and was sentenced to be cashiered. However, the President of the Court had substituted an officer on the panel without the authority of the Convening Power and although the officer who sat on the panel was perfectly qualified to do so as a substitute for the absent officer because it had been done without proper authority the result was the Court was not properly convened and so had no jurisdiction. Following correspondence with J.A.G. a new trial was authorised.

 

The second trial took place on 4th - 10th November 1916 at Brocton Camp and Wind was found not guilty of the impersonation charge and guilty only of two of the dud cheque offences which resulted in the Court ordering that he be "severely reprimanded". This sentence was carried out forthwith by his Commanding Officer. The Court recommended mercy on the grounds of medical evidence and that he had been under arrest for a total of 88 days.

 

The "medical evidence" caught my eye... in his statement to the Court Wind once again recounts the story of how he had been in an aeroplane whilst attached to the RFC when the aircraft had been hit by an enemy shell and brought to the ground.

 

Other than his original (very) brief service with the RFC (29/4/1915 until commissioned on 19/9/1915) there is no mention of service or attachment to the RFC in his service record. His RFC attestation does include the phrase "a very intelligent man" !

 

 

[helpjpl]

Apologies if this has been posted before.

 

1.  airhistory:

http://www.airhistory.org.uk/rfc/files/names_combined_W.txt

 

2.  London Gazette 01 October 1915:

The King's Own (Yorkshire Light Infantry)

Second Class Air Mechanic G.S. Wind, from Royal Flying Corps

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/29312/page/9652/data.pdf

 

JP

[IPT]

3 hours ago, DavidOwen said:

 

Tilling-Stevens was a British manufacturer of buses and other commercial vehicles, based in Maidstone, Kent.  - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tilling-Stevens

[Guest]

Have done quite a bit on George Stephen Wind and have the majority of what has bee said. The impression I had as to his WW1 service was that his parents (well connected in Kent, Goulden & Wind pianos, etc, plus a distinct whiff of freemasonry) pulled strings to save his becoming trench fodder. A Maidstone tribunal queried his qualifications but one member insisted that he had served an apprenticeship with Tilling-Stevens and was just the kind of skilled tradesman the RFC were looking for. He therefore went to France as a 2nd Lieutenant which in RFC terms was a skilled airframe engineer. He was probably soon found out and efforts made to send him to regular army service with an existing rank that  they too would have found equally inappropriate. My guess is a deal of front line, unrecorded, decisions.Then comes the mysterious injury that the various court martials and medical examinations never did seem to get to the bottom of. He is a difficult character to judge, but today I suspect the term bi-polar would be bandied, bouts of calmness followed by psychotic episodes. The `Red Road Cars` concern (1926-1929) was actually a quite smartly run affair although to what extent his mother had influence is not clear. How he manged to get back to PSV driving following his six-months hard labour is a little strange although I suspect the `dangerous driving charge in 1930, dismissed with the aid of a very prominent lawyer/mason led to dismissal. He was working as a vehicle delivery driver when he suffered a heart attack at Northampton.

 

[IPT]

2 hours ago, Mickleburgh said:

Have done quite a bit on George Stephen Wind and have the majority of what has bee said. The impression I had as to his WW1 service was that his parents (well connected in Kent, Goulden & Wind pianos, etc, plus a distinct whiff of freemasonry) pulled strings to save his becoming trench fodder. A Maidstone tribunal queried his qualifications but one member insisted that he had served an apprenticeship with Tilling-Stevens and was just the kind of skilled tradesman the RFC were looking for. He therefore went to France as a 2nd Lieutenant which in RFC terms was a skilled airframe engineer. He was probably soon found out and efforts made to send him to regular army service with an existing rank that  they too would have found equally inappropriate. My guess is a deal of front line, unrecorded, decisions.Then comes the mysterious injury that the various court martials and medical examinations never did seem to get to the bottom of. He is a difficult character to judge, but today I suspect the term bi-polar would be bandied, bouts of calmness followed by psychotic episodes. The `Red Road Cars` concern (1926-1929) was actually a quite smartly run affair although to what extent his mother had influence is not clear. How he manged to get back to PSV driving following his six-months hard labour is a little strange although I suspect the `dangerous driving charge in 1930, dismissed with the aid of a very prominent lawyer/mason led to dismissal. He was working as a vehicle delivery driver when he suffered a heart attack at Northampton.

 

 

Welcome Mickleburgh and thanks for adding to this fascinating story. 

 

 

[Dai Bach y Sowldiwr]

On 11/02/2020 at 18:24, Mickleburgh said:

How he manged to get back to PSV driving following his six-months hard labour is a little strange

You can say that again.

And later still, end up as a Lt. Commander in the Royal Navy in 1944, with his criminal record and Court Martials???

 

(Welcome by the way!)

[Guest]

I am new to this forum. I may have some interesting information on Dalgety Edward Ommanney and his brothers (from  page 3).

Our findings have some parallels as you will see. 

 

In 1880 the Rev. Henry Donaldson married his older children's Governess,  Laura Ann Beauchant who had airs and graces, and children Lauretta b. 1881, George Beauchant b. 1883, Cregoe Donaldson Percy b. 1885,  Leverton Carlyton Courtenay b. 1887, Thomas Boone Carlyon b. 1889, and the aforementioned Dalgety Edward Ommanney b. 1896. 

 

Thomas Boone C. Nicholson a bank clerk of Torquay, died aged 19 in mysterious circumstances on Portland Bill in 1909 his Inquest reported he was accidentally drowned. Mmmm?

George Beauchant Nicholson and  The Rev. both gave evidence that Thomas was not suicidal -  he had fallen into the water from a cliff. after single handedly rowing from Torbay the day before. I believe his brothers were in the boat with him. There was some horse-play or perhaps even worse.

 

Pauline Rowson's book on the affair is fictional, but the details of the body - eg in a pinstripe suit - are remarkably similar and set in exactly the same location where Thomas Boone Nicholson .

 

Levy Carylton Courtney of Peckham, a bank clerk (London & Westminster) and famous stamp expert on Jamaica, was jailed in 1942 for signature fraud and then became 'Arthur D. Pierce' of Haddonsfield NJ. USA. No one can explain the sudden death of fellow Jamaica philatelist. Allan Hopkinson, from Huddersfield in 1935.

 

Another brother Cregoe Donaldson wrote up the Shipping lists - 1940 - I believe he changed or removed some of these records to the benefit of his family who were closely associated to the American criminal, Adam 'Moriarty' Worth of Clapham 1875-1902.

 

Most importantly I do not believe that The Rev. Donaldson was these boys' father as he was often away for long periods in rural Devon,  France and Germany at that time, on behalf of the Nicholson & Lord Pipe Organ Company.

 

Their real father I believe to have been an old friend of the Governess, serial womaniser and partner of Adam Worth, who lived in Clapham 1`874-1876 then moved to 8 Gower Street off the Tottenham Court Road. He was originally employed by 'The Naval Bank' of Mutley Maine, Plymouth c.1857 for a short period before being dismissed.

 

Earlier someone brought up a 15 year old girl's 'suicide' newspaper cutting but failed to give a date or the name of the newspaper. This is essential.

 

Nothing is known of Lauretta Nicholson - might this be her or even perhaps her daughter?

 

Please advise.

 

 

 

 

[sadbrewer]

On 28/03/2021 at 10:22, horryd said:

I am new to this forum. I may have some interesting information on Dalgety Edward Ommanney and his brothers (from  page 3).

Our findings have some parallels as you will see. 

 

In 1880 the Rev. Henry Donaldson married his older children's Governess,  Laura Ann Beauchant who had airs and graces, and children Lauretta b. 1881, George Beauchant b. 1883, Cregoe Donaldson Percy b. 1885,  Leverton Carlyton Courtenay b. 1887, Thomas Boone Carlyon b. 1889, and the aforementioned Dalgety Edward Ommanney b. 1896. 

 

Thomas Boone C. Nicholson a bank clerk of Torquay, died aged 19 in mysterious circumstances on Portland Bill in 1909 his Inquest reported he was accidentally drowned. Mmmm?

George Beauchant Nicholson and  The Rev. both gave evidence that Thomas was not suicidal -  he had fallen into the water from a cliff. after single handedly rowing from Torbay the day before. I believe his brothers were in the boat with him. There was some horse-play or perhaps even worse.

 

Pauline Rowson's book on the affair is fictional, but the details of the body - eg in a pinstripe suit - are remarkably similar and set in exactly the same location where Thomas Boone Nicholson .

 

Levy Carylton Courtney of Peckham, a bank clerk (London & Westminster) and famous stamp expert on Jamaica, was jailed in 1942 for signature fraud and then became 'Arthur D. Pierce' of Haddonsfield NJ. USA. No one can explain the sudden death of fellow Jamaica philatelist. Allan Hopkinson, from Huddersfield in 1935.

 

Another brother Cregoe Donaldson wrote up the Shipping lists - 1940 - I believe he changed or removed some of these records to the benefit of his family who were closely associated to the American criminal, Adam 'Moriarty' Worth of Clapham 1875-1902.

 

Most importantly I do not believe that The Rev. Donaldson was these boys' father as he was often away for long periods in rural Devon,  France and Germany at that time, on behalf of the Nicholson & Lord Pipe Organ Company.

 

Their real father I believe to have been an old friend of the Governess, serial womaniser and partner of Adam Worth, who lived in Clapham 1`874-1876 then moved to 8 Gower Street off the Tottenham Court Road. He was originally employed by 'The Naval Bank' of Mutley Maine, Plymouth c.1857 for a short period before being dismissed.

 

Earlier someone brought up a 15 year old girl's 'suicide' newspaper cutting but failed to give a date or the name of the newspaper. This is essential.

 

Nothing is known of Lauretta Nicholson - might this be her or even perhaps her daughter?

 

Please advise.

 

 

 

 

 

That's very interesting, but there is no suggestion that anyone else was with him in the boat...according to a news report of the time the boat's owner mentioned no one else other than Thomas Nicholson being in the boat.