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Just for the record really, in case anyone is looking for missing medals for these men. Both spotted at the Ankara Antika Pazari. 

 

BWM for 10206 H.W.Driver, Essex Regiment. I was assured by the dealer that this was solid silver... (Same guy once tried to sell me a WW1 German army buckle as a genuine SS one!)

 

BVM for 010663 A.Puttick, AOC. Lacking its attachment ring and I wondered about that serial - is it O (letter) 10663? or really 0 (zero) 10663? Either way the same dealer, who assured me this was gilt over silver....

 

Neither man seems to be on the CWGC list.

 

Trajan

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charlie962
7 hours ago, trajan said:

BWM for 10206 H.W.Driver, Essex Regiment.

 

CWGC Headstone has NoK

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SDGW says

Forename Henry William
Surname Driver
Born Balham, Surrey
Enlisted Warley, Essex
Place of Residence South Woodford, Essex
Service Number 10206
Rank Private
Cause of Death Killed In Action
Place of Death France & Flanders
Date of Death 12th January 1915

Regiment

Essex Regiment, 2nd Battalion

7 hours ago, trajan said:

BVM for 010663 A.Puttick, AOC

MIC says entitled to BWM/VM Albert Puttick 010663

 

 

Charlie

 

I suupose these silver medals have reached Turkey just as scrap metal exchange !

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trajan

Thanks Charlie - wonder how I missed the Driver one on CWGC? I do see the BWM's reasonably often here, presunably having arrived (as you say) as scrap, and in the past I used to buy them to 'save' them, but the asking prices here are 30-50% or more than in the UK so I stopped doing that.

 

Julian

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Medaler
On 06/08/2019 at 14:14, trajan said:

Thanks Charlie - wonder how I missed the Driver one on CWGC? I do see the BWM's reasonably often here, presunably having arrived (as you say) as scrap, and in the past I used to buy them to 'save' them, but the asking prices here are 30-50% or more than in the UK so I stopped doing that.

 

Julian

 

Depends on the asking price, but Essex Regt BWM may still be a bargain. On the other hand, if the VM really is gilt over silver, its a very "high end" fake!

 

Regards,

Mike

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trajan
7 hours ago, Medaler said:

Depends on the asking price, but Essex Regt BWM may still be a bargain. On the other hand, if the VM really is gilt over silver, its a very "high end" fake!

 

Quite agree on the BVM!

 

I knew nothing of the activity of the Essex Regiment until your post alerted me to this. So, Pvte. Driver could have been in it from the start with the 2nd Batt., which would, I suppose, make the medal of greater value than usual to an Essex Regt. specialist.

 

Julian

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2 hours ago, trajan said:

 

Quite agree on the BVM!

 

I knew nothing of the activity of the Essex Regiment until your post alerted me to this. So, Pvte. Driver could have been in it from the start with the 2nd Batt., which would, I suppose, make the medal of greater value than usual to an Essex Regt. specialist.

 

Julian

 

its the casualty status that matters - think usual value x2 (ish). Also, the 2nd Essex were to some degree involved in the Christmas Truce - and that's always a popular subject.

 

His MIC gives an embarkation date of 22.08.14 and LLT states Bn. landed 28.08.14 - so he was an "original" member of the Bn. to land as part of 4th Division. A man of the original BEF and with clear entitlement to a '14 Star.

 

I think you are giving me some credit for Charlie's post!

 

Regards,

Mike

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trajan

Well, credit equally shared Mike! I had of course completely forgotten about the somewhat goulish (to my mind) higher value given to medals to chaps KIA while medals given to those that survived the same bout are less-well regarded.

 

Anyway, I'll check the price again. As I said in post no. 3 - and you will be aware - I always used to pick up British War medals when I saw them on sale here just to 'save' them, and in that way picked up some nice ones with interesting histories. But, it was getting difficult as the cash was needed elsewhere with two growing boys and beer prices(!) fast exceeding those in the UK... There again, I reckon my dear SWBO would rather I collected medals if only because they are cheaper than bayonets! 

 

Julian

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1 hour ago, trajan said:

Well, credit equally shared Mike! I had of course completely forgotten about the somewhat goulish (to my mind) higher value given to medals to chaps KIA while medals given to those that survived the same bout are less-well regarded.

 

Anyway, I'll check the price again. As I said in post no. 3 - and you will be aware - I always used to pick up British War medals when I saw them on sale here just to 'save' them, and in that way picked up some nice ones with interesting histories. But, it was getting difficult as the cash was needed elsewhere with two growing boys and beer prices(!) fast exceeding those in the UK... There again, I reckon my dear SWBO would rather I collected medals if only because they are cheaper than bayonets! 

 

Julian

 

Let the boys buy their own beer - problem solved!

 

I reckon it's one worth saving, If you do invest I will try to help with the research if you like.

 

Cheers,

Mike

 

 

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