NR72 Posted 3 August , 2019 Share Posted 3 August , 2019 Hi I am researching a Petty officer Lionel Horace Brooks Bristol Z/161, I know after this he was commissioned as a Temp S/Lt. In his service docs there is a entry , where would i find out what he did? i would love to see a picture of him, all i know is that he ended his days in Jersey passing away in 1974 Thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horatio2 Posted 3 August , 2019 Share Posted 3 August , 2019 1 hour ago, NR72 said: where would i find out what he did? Difficult. Howe Bn. had spent the previous few weeks being introduced to BEF trench routines understudying army battalions, after transferring from the Dardanelles in May 1916. The RND had been deemed competent to take over in the front line on 17 July and had relieved 47th Division in the Angres-Souchez sector. The Howe war diary gives only one possible clue to how Petty Officer Brooks may have been commended: it records - "25/6/16:- "At about 10.45pm Ration Party from 'B' Company got shelled, 4 men being hit, of whom Petty Officer J.H.R. Smith later died." There was no other significant action recorded (and the Howes were only in the trenches 14 -10 July) so it is possible that PO Brooks was involved in this incident but it may have been something else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NR72 Posted 3 August , 2019 Author Share Posted 3 August , 2019 Thanks , so would i be right in saying that his action did not warrant a MiD, it was lower level? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horatio2 Posted 3 August , 2019 Share Posted 3 August , 2019 Yes. Sometimes an MiD did follow a divisional commendation but not in this case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitchener's Bugle Posted 4 August , 2019 Share Posted 4 August , 2019 I note that his medals where sold on E-Bay last month. ...…. Lionel Horace BROOKS born 4th April 1896 Gloucester, son of William (grocers manager) & Matilda Brooks, attended Park School, Dudley from 1905 – civilian occupation Clerk. Attested to Bristol Division RNVR 19/10/1914 – with the Royal Naval Division to Stavros, Greece June 1915 prior to landing at Gallipoli – November 1915 at Mudros then back to Gallipoli with the Howe Bn. Following evacuation from Gallipoli accompanied the RND to France where he was awarded the RND certificate A 28/07/1916 for ‘Courageous and Gallant Conduct in the Field (France)’ – wounded 13/11/1916 on the Somme – GSW to the abdomen – the UK where he recovered sufficiently to return to France and was wounded again 25/04/1917 (2nd Battle of the Scarpe) but remained on duty. Appointed T/Sub Lieutenant 63rdRND 14/05/1918 continuing to serve in the many battles the RND took part including Passchendale, St Quentin, Bapaume, Albert, Cambrai and the final advance in Picardy. Having survived the hardships of war he was invalided to the UK 20/04/1919 ‘result of injury during recreational training’ and demobilised 14/10/1919. In 1939 Lionel is shown as working as a solicitor in Westminster, London. An interesting and scarce collection of items relating to an RNVR officer (promoted from the ranks) who saw extensive combat from Gallipoli to France wounded on at least two occasions and received a RND certificate for courageous and gallant conduct. Worthy of further research. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NR72 Posted 4 August , 2019 Author Share Posted 4 August , 2019 34 minutes ago, Kitchener's Bugle said: I note that his medals where sold on E-Bay last month. ...…. Lionel Horace BROOKS born 4th April 1896 Gloucester, son of William (grocers manager) & Matilda Brooks, attended Park School, Dudley from 1905 – civilian occupation Clerk. Attested to Bristol Division RNVR 19/10/1914 – with the Royal Naval Division to Stavros, Greece June 1915 prior to landing at Gallipoli – November 1915 at Mudros then back to Gallipoli with the Howe Bn. Following evacuation from Gallipoli accompanied the RND to France where he was awarded the RND certificate A 28/07/1916 for ‘Courageous and Gallant Conduct in the Field (France)’ – wounded 13/11/1916 on the Somme – GSW to the abdomen – the UK where he recovered sufficiently to return to France and was wounded again 25/04/1917 (2nd Battle of the Scarpe) but remained on duty. Appointed T/Sub Lieutenant 63rdRND 14/05/1918 continuing to serve in the many battles the RND took part including Passchendale, St Quentin, Bapaume, Albert, Cambrai and the final advance in Picardy. Having survived the hardships of war he was invalided to the UK 20/04/1919 ‘result of injury during recreational training’ and demobilised 14/10/1919. In 1939 Lionel is shown as working as a solicitor in Westminster, London. An interesting and scarce collection of items relating to an RNVR officer (promoted from the ranks) who saw extensive combat from Gallipoli to France wounded on at least two occasions and received a RND certificate for courageous and gallant conduct. Worthy of further research. Hi , Yes i bought them !! trying to find out what he did and get a photo of him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horatio2 Posted 4 August , 2019 Share Posted 4 August , 2019 (edited) PO Brooks was drafted to UK for a commission on 1 July 1917 and did not actually serve in the front line when he returned to the BEF in September 1918 as a Sub Lt.. Although notionally appointed to Drake Battalion he was, on arrival in France, sent on 25 September 1918 to the 63rd Divisional Wing where reinforcements were trained. There is no record of his actually joining the Drakes in the line before the Armistice.. His last period in the line was in June 1917 when the RND was in the Oppy/Gavrelle sector 2 hours ago, NR72 said: continuing to serve in the many battles the RND took part including Passchendale, St Quentin, Bapaume, Albert, Cambrai and the final advance in Picardy. The above statement is, therefore, incorrect. He was not even in France for the first four of the six actions listed. Edited 4 August , 2019 by horatio2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horatio2 Posted 4 August , 2019 Share Posted 4 August , 2019 3 hours ago, Kitchener's Bugle said: Attested to Bristol Division RNVR 19/10/1914 – with the Royal Naval Division to Stavros, Greece June 1915 prior to landing at Gallipoli – November 1915 at Mudros then back to Gallipoli with the Howe Bn. Another muddle. He landed at Gallipoli with Benbow Battalion RND at the end of May 1915 and was transferred to Howe Battalion two weeks later when Benbow Bn was disbanded after the 3rd Battle of Krithia. He went to hospital at Mudros with dysentery on 22 October and rejoined the Howes on 23 December just before the withdrawal from Gallipoli. Howe Battalion was sent to Stavros from Mudros on 21 February 1916, returning on 31 March. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitchener's Bugle Posted 4 August , 2019 Share Posted 4 August , 2019 4 hours ago, NR72 said: Hi , Yes i bought them !! trying to find out what he did and get a photo of him That clearly explains your interest then!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NR72 Posted 5 August , 2019 Author Share Posted 5 August , 2019 (edited) This is his timeline , he had an eventful war , fought in the major battles of the RND , Third battle of Krithia, Ancre and Gavrelle 09/01/15 Benbow 29/03/15 Port Said 08/04/15 to Mudros 30/05/15 Benbow landed at Gallipoli 04/06/15 Third Battle of Krithia 12/06/15 transferred to Howe 22/10/15 Sick to Mudros 09/12/15 discharged Mudros 10/12/15 to ANZAC Base Mudros 23/12/15 re-joined unit Gallipoli 07/05/16 embarked Mudros for Marseilles 12/05/16 disembarked Marseilles 28/07/16 Courageous and gallant act in field (France) 16/09/16 to UK Leave 25/0916 rtn from leave 19/11/16 GSW Abdomen (ANCRE) 24/11/16 Southwark hospital 22/12/16 Furlough 01/01/17 Back from Furlough 27/2/17 Drafted to Howe Bn 22/03/17 Joined Bn BEF 25/04/17 Wounded remained on duty (GAVRELLE) 01/07/17 discharged to UK for Commission 03/07/17 reported 2nd Reserve Bn 04/10/17 Officer training Ayrshire 19/10/17 awarded first GCB 19/09/18 Drafted to Drake Bn BEF Temp S/Lt 20/09/18 Calais Depot 25/09/18 Divisional Wing 19/01/19 to leave 06/02/19 back from leave 13/04/19 hospital, kicked in knee during football match 20/04/19 invalided 14/10/19 Demobbed Edited 6 August , 2019 by NR72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horatio2 Posted 5 August , 2019 Share Posted 5 August , 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, NR72 said: 30/04/15 Benbow landed at Gallipoli The Benbow, Hawke and Collingwood battalions landed, ex-UK, on 30 May 1915. Edited 5 August , 2019 by horatio2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horatio2 Posted 5 August , 2019 Share Posted 5 August , 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, NR72 said: 29/03/15 Port Said Benbow Battalion was at Blandford Camp on this date. They did not depart UK until 10 May. Edited 5 August , 2019 by horatio2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skipman Posted 5 August , 2019 Share Posted 5 August , 2019 How much are these medals worth now? Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NR72 Posted 6 August , 2019 Author Share Posted 6 August , 2019 (edited) 14 hours ago, horatio2 said: The Benbow, Hawke and Collingwood battalions landed, ex-UK, on 30 May 1915. Horatio , yes my mistake i will correct it 13 hours ago, Skipman said: How much are these medals worth now? Mike Hi Mike, i bought them as a group , the real prize for me was the extremely rare cloth badges which came with the group , you never see them Edited 6 August , 2019 by NR72 incorrect info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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