speedwobble Posted 22 July , 2019 Share Posted 22 July , 2019 A friend has asked me to look up his Grandfathers details of service in WW1. He has a set of medals as usual but he also sent me a photogrpaph of a Military Medal (For Bravery In THe Field). I can't find details of the action he earned the medal for so I'm hoping someone can advise me where I could look. It seems there are very few records available on Ancestry, probably due to them being destroyed. The do have a medal card but it only mentions the usual 3 medals. He joined the Royal Irish Rifles but it looks like he served most of the war in the RAMC. Where could I find details of his actions to earn the MM? Thanks in advance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PRC Posted 22 July , 2019 Share Posted 22 July , 2019 7 minutes ago, speedwobble said: A friend has asked me to look up his Grandfathers details of service in WW1. He has a set of medals as usual but he also sent me a photogrpaph of a Military Medal (For Bravery In THe Field). I can't find details of the action he earned the medal for so I'm hoping someone can advise me where I could look. It seems there are very few records available on Ancestry, probably due to them being destroyed. The do have a medal card but it only mentions the usual 3 medals. He joined the Royal Irish Rifles but it looks like he served most of the war in the RAMC. Where could I find details of his actions to earn the MM? Thanks in advance. Err....who is he ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin kenf48 Posted 22 July , 2019 Admin Share Posted 22 July , 2019 The citations for the MM have not survived. A rough rule of thumb is that the action for which the Medal was awarded occurred around three months before the notification in the London Gazette. The war diary for his unit may mention the award, or local newspapers. Unfortunately both these sources may simply give notifications of the award. Without a name difficult for forum pals to offer much help. Ken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedwobble Posted 23 July , 2019 Author Share Posted 23 July , 2019 Thank you Ken. I wanted to be careful not to break forum rules around asking members for research. I have tried Ancestry records myself but they seem sketchy. The soldiers name was William Glover from Belfast and he originally was Royal Irish Rifles then RAMC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianmorris547 Posted 23 July , 2019 Share Posted 23 July , 2019 The London Gazette 12/03/1918 edition 30573 page 3233 records the award of the MM to 14653 Pte (L/C) W Glover, R I Rifles (Belfast). The local papers from the start of 1918 may have a report. He may be mentioned in the Routine Orders in the War Diary of the of the Divisional A&QMG. I will try and find which Bn he was in later today unless someone beats me to it. He may have been attached to the RAMC at the time although the LG would normally say so. Belfast Library should hold the local papers. Brian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyH Posted 23 July , 2019 Share Posted 23 July , 2019 The best chance of getting the citation would be from the local newspapers between January and April 1918. BillyH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 23 July , 2019 Share Posted 23 July , 2019 5 hours ago, brianmorris547 said: The London Gazette 12/03/1918 On this, in Ancestry Britain, Campaign, Gallantry & Long Service Medals & Awards Image it says 13.3.18 George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedwobble Posted 23 July , 2019 Author Share Posted 23 July , 2019 (edited) Is there any reason why he wouldn’t have been given the 1914 - 1915 Star? I thought ALL soldiers received the standard 3 campaign medals. Edited 23 July , 2019 by speedwobble Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dai Bach y Sowldiwr Posted 23 July , 2019 Share Posted 23 July , 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, speedwobble said: Is there any reason why he wouldn’t have been given the 1914 - 1915 Star? I thought ALL soldiers received the standard 3 campaign medals. No. 1914 Star was awarded to those who served with the establishment of their unit in France and Belgium between August 5th 1914, and midnight of November 22/23rd, 1914. The 1914-15 Star was awarded to those serving in a theatre of war before January 1st 1916. If he didn't go overseas before this date, then he didn't get a star. Edited 23 July , 2019 by Dai Bach y Sowldiwr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyH Posted 23 July , 2019 Share Posted 23 July , 2019 25 minutes ago, Dai Bach y Sowldiwr said: The 1914-15 Star was awarded to those serving in a theatre of war before January 1st 1916. If he didn't go overseas before this date, then he didn't get a star. So that would that be why it is called the 1914/15 Star then? BillyH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedwobble Posted 23 July , 2019 Author Share Posted 23 July , 2019 Thank you. To be honest that was what I thought but I want to be accurate when I explain things to his family. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianmorris547 Posted 23 July , 2019 Share Posted 23 July , 2019 5 hours ago, George Rayner said: On this, in Ancestry Britain, Campaign, Gallantry & Long Service Medals & Awards Image it says 13.3.18 George George LG 30573 is headed Second Supplement to the LG of Tuesday 12/03/1918 dated 13/03/1918 so it is the date of the supplement. Sorry for the confusion. Anyway the WD of December 1917 for 10 Bn Royal Irish Rifles (WO 95/2503/4) refers to bombing raids carried out on 09/12/1917 and names the following as Awarded the MM: 10/14186 L/Cpl A J Cardon MM (Bar) 10/15622 Cpl E Moore 10/14653 L/Cpl W Glover and 41272 Rfn R G Goodwin, The WD of 107 Infantry Brigade (36 Div) for 09/12/1917 (WO 95/2502) refers to the bombing attack in the Hindenburg Front Line (Emden Trench) by 10 RIR but there are no Routine Orders in the WD of 36 Div A&QMG. Brian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedwobble Posted 23 July , 2019 Author Share Posted 23 July , 2019 Thank you so much for your help everyone. It means alot to this soldier family who found the medals in a drawer and had no idea what thier Great Grandfather had done. Given the fortifications on the Hindenburg Line it must have been daunting to attack. I have a few contacts here in Belfast who are trying to find details of the action that earned him the Military Medal in local newspapers. Once again on behalf of this mans family, thank you all. Another soldier who was forgotten will now be remembered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 23 July , 2019 Share Posted 23 July , 2019 Thank you for extra information. I wasnt challenging just adding refs to the story to help with clarification and confirmation George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dai Bach y Sowldiwr Posted 23 July , 2019 Share Posted 23 July , 2019 3 hours ago, BillyH said: So that would that be why it is called the 1914/15 Star then? BillyH. I suppose it must be, it's never occurred to me before. Should have added that you were only eligible for the 14 Star or 14-15 Star, you couldn't be eligible for both. But there are several instances of both being awarded (presumably by mistake). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jay dubaya Posted 23 July , 2019 Share Posted 23 July , 2019 12 minutes ago, Dai Bach y Sowldiwr said: I suppose it must be, it's never occurred to me before. Should have added that you were only eligible for the 14 Star or 14-15 Star, you couldn't be eligible for both. But there are several instances of both being awarded (presumably by mistake). Just out of interest there’s a thread somewhere out in forum land.....a time served infantry man discharged early 1915 and back in France with the artillery late 1915 IIRR. Qualified for the 14 and 14/15 Star and two lots of BWM and Victory medals of which the family still has. J Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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