jay dubaya Posted 25 July , 2019 Share Posted 25 July , 2019 BWM and Victory Rolls have him as Pte. John Murdoch Cameron. J Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie962 Posted 25 July , 2019 Share Posted 25 July , 2019 Great. That confirms the 'Bugler' bit that I was looking for. Also tells us that his father was James. No mention of 'Sole Legatee' thus not neccessarily a will ? Charlie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ss002d6252 Posted 25 July , 2019 Share Posted 25 July , 2019 2 hours ago, jay dubaya said: Here's John M Cameron's entry from the Register of Soldiers Effects Craig's War Gratuity calculator suggests and enlistment date between 4th and 12th August 1914 J On this one I think it's an artefact of my calculator with the start of war crossing with the war gratuity - I think he was a pre-war enlistment from looking at the service numbers. #1301 6th Bn enlisted 21 April 1912 #1312 6th Bn enlisted 30 April 1912 Suggests he enlisted at age 14, Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie962 Posted 25 July , 2019 Share Posted 25 July , 2019 (edited) 45 minutes ago, ss002d6252 said: Suggests he enlisted at age 14, Which fits with your post earlier. But I've not come up with any civil info for John Murdoch Campbell Cameron, son of James, born c1898 Glasgow. Scottish records are harder to access. Charlie Edited 25 July , 2019 by charlie962 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ss002d6252 Posted 25 July , 2019 Share Posted 25 July , 2019 Just now, charlie962 said: Which fits with your post earlier. But I've not come up with any civil info for John Murdoch Campbell, son of James, born c1898 Glasgow. Scottish records are harder to access. Charlie They are - I find Scottish records a pain to access. Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jay dubaya Posted 25 July , 2019 Share Posted 25 July , 2019 40 minutes ago, ss002d6252 said: On this one I think it's an artefact of my calculator with the start of war crossing with the war gratuity - I think he was a pre-war enlistment from looking at the service numbers. #1301 6th Bn enlisted 21 April 1912 #1312 6th Bn enlisted 30 April 1912 Suggests he enlisted at age 14, Craig Thanks for that Craig, I should have noted that earlier in the thread J Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ss002d6252 Posted 25 July , 2019 Share Posted 25 July , 2019 Just now, jay dubaya said: Thanks for that Craig, I should have noted that earlier in the thread J No problem at all. 10 minutes ago, charlie962 said: Which fits with your post earlier. But I've not come up with any civil info for John Murdoch Campbell, son of James, born c1898 Glasgow. Scottish records are harder to access. Charlie Presume Campbell is a typo for Cameron ? Nearest John M Campbell can see is this one on the 1901 census - https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?_phsrc=uJS161&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true&indiv=1&dbid=1101&gsfn=john murdoch&gsln=cameron&cp=0&msbdy=1898&msbpn__ftp=glasgow&new=1&rank=1&uidh=784&redir=false&gss=angs-d&pcat=35&fh=0&h=2078306&recoff=&ml_rpos=1 Born 1897. Father James and Mother Elizabeth. Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie962 Posted 25 July , 2019 Share Posted 25 July , 2019 1 minute ago, ss002d6252 said: Presume Campbell is a typo for Cameron ? Indeed, silly me. Corrected. As a Lowlander, all these Highland names seem the same. Charlie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie962 Posted 25 July , 2019 Share Posted 25 July , 2019 (edited) 12 minutes ago, ss002d6252 said: Nearest John M Campbell can see is this one on the 1901 census - https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?_phsrc=uJS161&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true&indiv=1&dbid=1101&gsfn=john murdoch&gsln=cameron&cp=0&msbdy=1898&msbpn__ftp=glasgow&new=1&rank=1&uidh=784&redir=false&gss=angs-d&pcat=35&fh=0&h=2078306&recoff=&ml_rpos=1 Born 1897. Father James and Mother Elizabeth. Ah, Ancestry. Closed at the moment to me. Here it is on FindmyPast I do see this one on Findmypast 1901 Census: John Cameron, born 1897 Glasgow, son of James M and Emma L Cameron. Didn't see a John M ? Edited 25 July , 2019 by charlie962 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ss002d6252 Posted 25 July , 2019 Share Posted 25 July , 2019 3 minutes ago, charlie962 said: Ah, Ancestry. Closed at the moment to me. I do see this one on Findmypast 1901 Census: John Cameron, born 1897 Glasgow, son of James M and Emma L Cameron. Didn't see a John M ? This is the FMP copy of the Ancestry 1901 census (I had to search for the youngest son to find it) https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=GBC%2F1901%2F0037502244 Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie962 Posted 25 July , 2019 Share Posted 25 July , 2019 Sorry Craig I'd spotted it and amended my post. It looks a good possibility but I've tried newspapers without success and 1911 census is, I think, only on Scotlands People ? Charlie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ss002d6252 Posted 25 July , 2019 Share Posted 25 July , 2019 7 minutes ago, charlie962 said: Sorry Craig I'd spotted it and amended my post. It looks a good possibility but I've tried newspapers without success and 1911 census is, I think, only on Scotlands People ? Charlie It is, the 1911 census is quite locked down compared to the earlier ones. Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logan Posted 25 July , 2019 Author Share Posted 25 July , 2019 Great find Jay, thanks for passing it on . See where this leads me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logan Posted 25 July , 2019 Author Share Posted 25 July , 2019 How do they select Service Numbers for each man, by numerical order or some other method , grandfather was #1549 and he enlisted on 6/5/1913 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logan Posted 26 July , 2019 Author Share Posted 26 July , 2019 Well looks like I missed a bunch of posts, I thought they flagged new posts any way. Thanks for all the input I use findmypast and Scotlands People for the family research I am doing. The 1901 Census for James and Elizabeth seems to fit. Going to get on to Ancestry and see if I can find any descendants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logan Posted 26 July , 2019 Author Share Posted 26 July , 2019 Looks like James Cameron married Elizabeth Brodie 1895 in Tradestown, two sons John M. and Charles B. in Tradestown . In 1891 there was a James Montgomery living at Tradestown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ss002d6252 Posted 26 July , 2019 Share Posted 26 July , 2019 7 hours ago, Logan said: How do they select Service Numbers for each man, by numerical order or some other method , grandfather was #1549 and he enlisted on 6/5/1913 In theory yes but sometimes numbers were issued in different orders - for example John Smith might enlist on 5 May 13 but his paperwork was sent to HQ on 7 May 13 whereas Tommy Atkins enlisted 6 May 13 and his paperwork was sent in the same day. The HQ may pick up Atkins' papers first and allocate #123 whereas Smith's might be next in the pile and get #124. It can get even more complicated once the war starts. Keep in mind though that there was no army wide numbering, each regiment had its own range for regular, sometimes another one for special reservists and an individual range for each territorial battalion. Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logan Posted 26 July , 2019 Author Share Posted 26 July , 2019 Your right Craig sounds like it could complicated . Thanks for the input Dan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie962 Posted 26 July , 2019 Share Posted 26 July , 2019 10 hours ago, Logan said: I use findmypast and Scotlands People So can you find the 1911 Census ? Charlie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logan Posted 26 July , 2019 Author Share Posted 26 July , 2019 well I can look at 1911 in Scotland s People from a distance, There is a James, a Elizabeth and John Cameron living in Kelvin. They are the correct ages . The younger Cameron, Charles seems to have not on any Census. I did not download the actual form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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