Mercantile Marine Document what is the meaning of M.P

[RaySearching]

I would appreciate if somebody could tell me what the abbreviation on the M.P on the following examples is short for 

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Image source Western Front Pension Docs on Ancestry

Regards Ray

 

[Dai Bach y Sowldiwr]

1 minute ago, RaySearching said:

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[ss002d6252]

The most obvious guess would be Ministry (of) Pensions.

 

I've looked extensively at the Army records but so, far, I've not even looked at the sailors records.

Craig

[ss002d6252]

1 minute ago, Dai Bach y Sowldiwr said:

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He was just checking that whoever answered had the correct observational skills.

Craig

[RaySearching]

22 minutes ago, ss002d6252 said:

Ministry (of) Pensions.

 

A possibility

 

I was thinking along the lines that Mercantile marines may have had an identity number 

Mercantile Marine No xxxx and this may be the number on the docs

Purely a guess I may be way out,  Hence the query

I am hoping on of our Mercantile marine pals will have a definitive answer 

 

Ray

[RaySearching]

29 minutes ago, Dai Bach y Sowldiwr said:

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Dai

As pointed out by Craig  you have the correct observational skills.

and the answer is?

[Dai Bach y Sowldiwr]

6 minutes ago, RaySearching said:

Dai

As pointed out by Craig  you have the correct observational skills.

and the answer is?

I think Craig might be on the right track.

[ss002d6252]

11 minutes ago, RaySearching said:

 

A possibility

 

I was thinking along the lines that Mercantile marines may have had an identity number 

Mercantile Marine No xxxx and this may be the number on the docs

Purely a guess I may be way out,  Hence the query

I am hoping on of our Mercantile marine pals will have a definitive answer 

  

Ray

As far as I'm aware they all had a service number or equivalent serial number.

 

For example

His pension record has the reference number MP 1396

https://www.westernfrontassociation.com:2061/image/368/643050204

 

His medal record shows his number as 688184
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D7990210

 

Once thing that is apparent with records is that, if they got there hands on them, the MoP would assign a reference number to a reference number if they could (So far with soldiers records I'm aware of at least 6 different numbering schemes).

Craig

[Dai Bach y Sowldiwr]

I don't have access to the Pension Cards.

Do all of them have MP on them, or just naval ?

[RaySearching]

8 minutes ago, Dai Bach y Sowldiwr said:

I don't have access to the Pension Cards.

Do all of them have MP on them, or just naval ?

 

Just the naval I believe

 

 

Ray

[ss002d6252]

10 minutes ago, Dai Bach y Sowldiwr said:

I don't have access to the Pension Cards.

Do all of them have MP on them, or just naval ?

Just the naval - but the the Army Records were dealt with differently (they were farmed out to regional offices for the period covered by the ledgers).

 

I know that in Aug 1917 Sailors' pensions were dealt with by N branch at Millbank and the AP branch at Chelsea. I don't, unfortunately, have a later organisation chart to see if it can add any clues.

Craig

[Lawryleslie]

On my Grandfathers WW1 RNVR Service Certificate Remarks Section  it states "MoP Birmingham informed" regarding the award of invalid pension after he was wounded. The meaning of "MP" on both the forms on the OP depends on what the forms are for. Looks like they may a locally made NoK notification cards in which case I’m guessing MP is some kind of official number or Ships Book number not Ministry of Pensions.

Edited 13 July , 2019 by Lawryleslie

[DavidOwen]

If anyone could get to Kew then there is this which may contain the answer? https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C208616 

 

Or this one https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C6200637

 

Bu then I spotted this which definitively states "Ministry of Pensions" in the catalogue cascade in the indexing https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C3404823 but then it would, wouldn't it!

 

 

[ss002d6252]

2 hours ago, Lawryleslie said:

On my Grandfathers WW1 RNVR Service Certificate Remarks Section  it states "MoP Birmingham informed" regarding the award of invalid pension after he was wounded. The meaning of "MP" on both the forms on the OP depends on what the forms are for. Looks like they may a locally made NoK notification cards in which case I’m guessing MP is some kind of official number or Ships Book number not Ministry of Pensions. 

The cards posted by Ray are from an index set which came from the records held by the Ministry of Pensions (and later vested in the WFA). They are part of an index covering the whole country.

 

MoP Birmingham will be the local office which collated his claim and passed it on for processing.

Craig

[ss002d6252]

Having not looked through the cards before they are interesting bunch.
 

Having looked through through the cards (the actual pre-printed card stock being ordered as a batch of 15,000 in Feb 1921 - later cards note another batch of 3,000 in Apr 1921)

1464        27 Jul 1921
1832        19 Jul 1921
4432        14 Jul 1921
4909        17 Aug 1921
4922        20 Jul 1921
7669        21 Nov 1921
11804      22 Dec 1921

(Dates can vary though as Award dates are often either not shown, or have taken some time after the cards were created to be paid)

 

These cards were used as an index to the actual pension files.
https://www.westernfrontassociation.com:2061/image/643050104

 

By way of example, this card displays a service number and reference number

https://www.westernfrontassociation.com:2061/image/643050148

 

I'm sure that there'll be an answer in the end.
 

Craig