loulabelle Posted 7 July , 2019 Share Posted 7 July , 2019 (edited) Hello everyone, I am new here so please forgive me if I do this wrong, Can anyone help me please, this is my Gt Gt Grandad and I want to know if anyone can identify the hat badge and give me any help with this Pic, his name was John Edward Williams , thank you Edited 7 July , 2019 by loulabelle want notifications and forgot to tick box , now cant find box Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 8 July , 2019 Share Posted 8 July , 2019 Morning and welcome to the forum. There are quite a few Williams' in the various collections of records so a little more information will help the search. Birth, lived in, married, parents etc can all help to identify him. On the uniform front no idea I', afraid although emblem rings a bell. And the notification switch is under these boxes when you reply! George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragoon Posted 8 July , 2019 Share Posted 8 July , 2019 Welcome to the Forum, May I make a suggestion, and move this to the Badges and Uniforms area of the Forum? It's a Pagri flash, unfortunately I can't make it out, another badge or uniform expert may have the answer for you on that section of the forum. Good luck Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gardenerbill Posted 8 July , 2019 Share Posted 8 July , 2019 (edited) The uniform is tropical so not western front; Egypt, Mesopotamia or Salonika are all possible or East Africa. Edited 8 July , 2019 by Gardenerbill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corisande Posted 8 July , 2019 Share Posted 8 July , 2019 11 hours ago, loulabelle said: want notifications and forgot to tick box , now cant find box You just go to the top right of this page, and click on drop down box "Follow". It then gives you various options as to how often you want to get an email saying there is a new reply Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toby Brayley Posted 8 July , 2019 Share Posted 8 July , 2019 If you can provide us with a better picture of the badge on his helmet that would be most helpful. Thank you Toby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wainfleet Posted 8 July , 2019 Share Posted 8 July , 2019 The hairstyle, cut of the jacket and presence of collar badges suggest to me a later date than WW1, probably 1930s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 8 July , 2019 Share Posted 8 July , 2019 I agree with wainfleet that this is most likely an image from between the two World Wars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loulabelle Posted 8 July , 2019 Author Share Posted 8 July , 2019 Hello everyone, thank you for your replies, unfortunately the pic is very small, but I will try to get a better pic of the badge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asanewt Posted 9 July , 2019 Share Posted 9 July , 2019 (edited) Not a lot better. Apology for tampering Edited 9 July , 2019 by asanewt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATNOMIS Posted 11 July , 2019 Share Posted 11 July , 2019 I think I something like that in my collection. I think Dorsets/Devons. I'll dig them out and post Simon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 11 July , 2019 Share Posted 11 July , 2019 2 hours ago, ATNOMIS said: I think I something like that in my collection. I think Dorsets/Devons. I'll dig them out and post Simon I did wonder if it might be ‘WILTS’, but it is insufficiently clear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loulabelle Posted 13 July , 2019 Author Share Posted 13 July , 2019 On 09/07/2019 at 20:01, asanewt said: Not a lot better. Apology for tampering It Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loulabelle Posted 13 July , 2019 Author Share Posted 13 July , 2019 That's ok, thank you for trying, I can't make it bigger either, I looked with a magnifying glass but still no luck exept that the 2nd and 3rdbletters looked the same On 11/07/2019 at 14:28, ATNOMIS said: I think I something like that in my collection. I think Dorsets/Devons. I'll dig them out and post Simon Thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loulabelle Posted 13 July , 2019 Author Share Posted 13 July , 2019 Hi all, this is the best picture I can of the badge, I took it through a magnifying glass, I know it's still not clear, but I'm sure the 2nd and 3rd letters are the same, thank you for all your help so far Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loulabelle Posted 13 July , 2019 Author Share Posted 13 July , 2019 Just found this pic on the net, is it the same?, It looks very very similar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 13 July , 2019 Share Posted 13 July , 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, loulabelle said: Just found this pic on the net, is it the same?, It looks very very similar It looks right at first glance and the lettering also seems to fit, although a curved layout with as few letters as possible was common. Unfortunately it’s not clear enough to see if it reads ‘QUEEN’S’. Edited 13 July , 2019 by FROGSMILE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wainfleet Posted 13 July , 2019 Share Posted 13 July , 2019 I think that's it. This sign was used interwars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 13 July , 2019 Share Posted 13 July , 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, wainfleet said: I think that's it. This sign was used interwars. Yes, it seems to relate to the 2nd Battalion Queen’s in India, circa 1920. The B&W group photo at this link shows the helmet and badge in use: http://www.queensroyalsurreys.org.uk/reg_in_india/india38_1.shtml See also the photo of RSM ‘Chokey Bill’ Sullivan below. His bed plate is also enclosed. The scarlet rectangle in the colour image of a helmet above shows how the bottom piece of the India Frock (loose fitting scarlet jacket) shoulder straps, which contained the unit title in woven worsted thread, was cut off and then stitched onto the facing cloth diamond and the whole affixed to the helmet. The group of soldiers also shows this in use. Edited 13 July , 2019 by FROGSMILE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragoon Posted 14 July , 2019 Share Posted 14 July , 2019 19 hours ago, loulabelle said: Just found this pic on the net, is it the same?, It looks very very similar Great find loulabelle, I think you've cracked it yourself. On your magnified photo you can clearly see the 'EE' of QUEEN'S. And the layout is the same as that on the photo provided by FROGSMILE. Good work! Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loulabelle Posted 14 July , 2019 Author Share Posted 14 July , 2019 Thank you, and I'm glad I could get a better picture for you, it's good to have more sets of eyes looking at it to help identify it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loulabelle Posted 14 July , 2019 Author Share Posted 14 July , 2019 20 hours ago, FROGSMILE said: Yes, it seems to relate to the 2nd Battalion Queen’s in India, circa 1920. The B&W group photo at this link shows the helmet and badge in use: http://www.queensroyalsurreys.org.uk/reg_in_india/india38_1.shtml See also the photo of RSM ‘Chokey Bill’ Sullivan below. His bed plate is also enclosed. The scarlet rectangle in the colour image of a helmet above shows how the bottom piece of the India Frock (loose fitting scarlet jacket) shoulder straps, which contained the unit title in woven worsted thread, was cut off and then stitched onto the facing cloth diamond and the whole affixed to the helmet. The group of soldiers also shows this in use. That's a brilliant picture, and the date is about right too, as he was born in 1902, thank you so much for your help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 14 July , 2019 Share Posted 14 July , 2019 (edited) Glad to help. You can perhaps now research a little about the 2nd Battalion of the Queen’s (Royal West Surrey) Regiment, with which your forebear must have served. The Regimental HQ and Depot was in Guildford (Stoughton Barracks). Edited 14 July , 2019 by FROGSMILE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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