My Gt Gt Grandad

[loulabelle]

Hello everyone, I am new here so please forgive me if I do this wrong, Can anyone help me please, this is my Gt Gt Grandad and I want to know if anyone can identify the hat badge and give me any help with this Pic, his name was John Edward Williams , thank you

Edited 7 July , 2019 by loulabelle
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[George Rayner]

Morning and welcome to the forum.

 

There are quite a few Williams' in the various collections of records so a little more information will help the search. Birth, lived in, married, parents etc can all help to identify him.

 

On the uniform front no idea I', afraid although emblem rings a bell.

 

And the notification switch is under these boxes when you reply!

 

George

[Dragoon]

Welcome to the Forum,

May I make a suggestion, and move this to the Badges and Uniforms area of the Forum?

It's a Pagri flash, unfortunately I can't make it out, another badge or uniform expert may have the answer for you on that section of the forum.

Good luck

 

Chris

[Gardenerbill]

The uniform is tropical so not western front; Egypt, Mesopotamia or Salonika are all possible or East Africa.

Edited 8 July , 2019 by Gardenerbill

[corisande]

11 hours ago, loulabelle said:

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You just go to the top right of this page, and click on drop down box "Follow". It then gives you various options as to how often you want to get an email saying there is a new reply

[Toby Brayley]

If you can provide us with a better picture of the badge on his helmet that would be most helpful. 

 

Thank you 

Toby 

[wainfleet]

The hairstyle, cut of the jacket and presence of collar badges suggest to me a later date than WW1, probably 1930s.

[FROGSMILE]

I agree with wainfleet that this is most likely an image from between the two World Wars.

[loulabelle]

Hello everyone, thank you for your replies, unfortunately the pic is very small, but I will try to get a better pic of the badge

[asanewt]

Not a lot better. Apology for tampering

 

 

Edited 9 July , 2019 by asanewt

[ATNOMIS]

I think I something like that in my collection. I think Dorsets/Devons. I'll dig them out and post

 

Simon

[FROGSMILE]

2 hours ago, ATNOMIS said:

I think I something like that in my collection. I think Dorsets/Devons. I'll dig them out and post

 

Simon

 

I did wonder if it might be ‘WILTS’, but it is insufficiently clear.

[loulabelle]

On 09/07/2019 at 20:01, asanewt said:

Not a lot better. Apology for tampering

 

 

It

[loulabelle]

That's ok, thank you for trying, I can't make it bigger either, I looked with a magnifying glass but still no luck exept that the 2nd and 3rdbletters looked the same

 

On 11/07/2019 at 14:28, ATNOMIS said:

I think I something like that in my collection. I think Dorsets/Devons. I'll dig them out and post

 

Simon

Thank you

[loulabelle]

Hi all, this is the best picture I can of the badge, I took it through a magnifying glass, I know it's still not clear, but I'm sure the 2nd and 3rd letters are the same, thank you for all your help so far

[loulabelle]

Just found this pic on the net, is it the same?, It looks very very similar

[FROGSMILE]

2 hours ago, loulabelle said:

Just found this pic on the net, is it the same?, It looks very very similar

 

 

It looks right at first glance and the lettering also seems to fit, although a curved layout with as few letters as possible was common.  Unfortunately it’s not clear enough to see if it reads ‘QUEEN’S’.

Edited 13 July , 2019 by FROGSMILE

[wainfleet]

I think that's it. This sign was used interwars.

[FROGSMILE]

1 hour ago, wainfleet said:

I think that's it. This sign was used interwars.

 

Yes, it seems to relate to the 2nd Battalion Queen’s in India, circa 1920.  The B&W group photo at this link shows the helmet and badge in use: http://www.queensroyalsurreys.org.uk/reg_in_india/india38_1.shtml

See also the photo of RSM ‘Chokey Bill’ Sullivan below.  His bed plate is also enclosed.

 

The scarlet rectangle in the colour image of a helmet above shows how the bottom piece of the India Frock (loose fitting scarlet jacket) shoulder straps, which contained the unit title in woven worsted thread, was cut off and then stitched onto the facing cloth diamond and the whole affixed to the helmet.  The group of soldiers also shows this in use.

 

 

Edited 13 July , 2019 by FROGSMILE

[Dragoon]

19 hours ago, loulabelle said:

Just found this pic on the net, is it the same?, It looks very very similar

Great find loulabelle, I think you've cracked it yourself.

On your magnified photo you can clearly see the 'EE' of QUEEN'S.

And the layout is the same as that on the photo provided by FROGSMILE.

Good work!

 

Chris

[loulabelle]

Thank you, and I'm glad I could get a better picture for you, it's good to have more sets of eyes looking at it to help identify it

[loulabelle]

20 hours ago, FROGSMILE said:

 

Yes, it seems to relate to the 2nd Battalion Queen’s in India, circa 1920.  The B&W group photo at this link shows the helmet and badge in use: http://www.queensroyalsurreys.org.uk/reg_in_india/india38_1.shtml

See also the photo of RSM ‘Chokey Bill’ Sullivan below.  His bed plate is also enclosed.

 

The scarlet rectangle in the colour image of a helmet above shows how the bottom piece of the India Frock (loose fitting scarlet jacket) shoulder straps, which contained the unit title in woven worsted thread, was cut off and then stitched onto the facing cloth diamond and the whole affixed to the helmet.  The group of soldiers also shows this in use.

 

 

That's a brilliant picture, and the date is about right too, as he was born in 1902, thank you so much for your help

[FROGSMILE]

Glad to help.  You can perhaps now research a little about the 2nd Battalion of the Queen’s (Royal West Surrey) Regiment, with which your forebear must have served.  The Regimental HQ and Depot was in Guildford (Stoughton Barracks).

Edited 14 July , 2019 by FROGSMILE