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In a family diary I have received, there are references to a Signals School at Chester in 1916, which appears to have occupied some of the buildings of Chester racecourse.

Can anyone throw any light on this, please?

 

An officer, Frank Shaw, may have been its commandant or assistant commandant.

 

daggers

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Daggers

 

Have had a sniff around the online Chester archives, sadly no mention. Nothing on the racecourse site either, But that doesn't mean it wasn't there, even if only temporarily.

 

David

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I have now discovered that Frank Shaw was an officer in the Duke of Lancaster's Own Yeomanry.  Whether this affects my original enquiry I do not know, but I at first thought he must have been RE (Signals).

 

D

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I can see from his MIC he went out to Egypt with I presume 1 Bn. as  early as September 1914.

I hadn't restricted my searches to RE so I doubt it makes a difference to my results, sorry.

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You may find the answer in one of these National Archives files. As far as I know they are not available online so a personal visit to Kew may be necessary.

 

WO33/    568    1911    Allotment of troops for Home Defence
WO33/    692    1914    Distribution of Home Defence forces (excluding ports)
WO33/    710    1915    Composition of HQs Home Defence Forces
WO33/    719    1915    Composition of HQs Home Defence Forces
WO33/    724    1915    Composition of HQs Home Defence Forces
WO33/    733    1915    Composition of HQs Home Defence Forces
WO33/    741    1916    Composition of HQs Home Defence Forces
WO33/    749    1916    Composition of HQs Home Defence Forces
WO33/    754    1916    Composition of HQs Home Defence Forces
WO33/    767    1916    Composition of HQs Home Defence Forces
WO33/    772    1916    Composition of HQs Home Defence Forces
WO33/    779    1916    Distribution of Home Defence forces
WO33/    782    1916    Composition of HQs Home Defence Forces
WO33/    795    1916    Order of Battle for Divisions at Home
WO33/    799    1916    Composition of HQs Home Defence Forces
WO33/    808    1917    Composition of HQs Home Defence Forces
WO33/    812    1917    Distribution of Home Defence forces
WO33/    814    1917    Composition of HQs, Overseas Dominion Forces in British Isles
WO33/    815    1917    Composition of HQs Home Defence Forces
WO33/    823    1917    Composition of HQs Home Defence Forces
WO33/    824    1917    Composition of HQs, Overseas Dominion Forces in British Isles
WO33/    833    1917    Composition of HQs Home Defence Forces
WO33/    837    1917    Distribution of Home Defence forces and reserve units (summer stations)
WO33/    843    1917    Composition of HQs Home Defence Forces
WO33/    855    1918    Composition of HQs Home Defence Forces
WO33/    865    1918    Distribution of Home Defence forces and reserve units (winter stations)
WO33/    866    1918    Composition of HQs, Overseas Dominion Forces in British Isles
WO33/    869    1918    Composition of HQs Home Defence Forces
WO33/    870    1918    Schedule A and list of stations of reserve units
WO33/    876    1918    Composition of HQs, Overseas Dominion Forces in British Isles
WO33/    879    1918    Composition of HQs Home Defence Forces
WO33/    883    1918    Distribution of Home Defence forces and reserve units (summer stations)
WO33/    890    1918    Composition of HQs Home Defence Forces
WO33/    903    1918    Composition of HQs, Overseas Dominion Forces in British Isles
WO33/    904    1918    Distribution of Forces in Great Britain incl reserve units (winter stations)
WO33/    909    1918    Composition of HQs Home Defence Forces
WO33/    921    1919    Composition of HQs, Overseas Dominion Forces in British Isles
WO33/    923    1919    Composition of HQs Home Defence Forces
WO33/    930    1919    Composition of HQs Home Defence Forces
WO33/    941    1919    Composition of HQs Home Defence Forces
 

Ron

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Found Captain F Shaw Duke of Lancaster's Own Yeomanry in a couple of 1916 Army Lists but nothing of note to report (no secondments etc.).

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Thanks to you both.  I am too far from Kew to look those references up, and the list looks like several days' worth!

I'll try Chester when visiting next.

 

D

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Western Command (formed 1907) was based in Chester. I have found evidence of the Wireless HQ being based there in ww2.

 

...and bingo! The Army did requisition the Roodee (Racecourse) for training purposes in 1915 https://www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/ches/vol5/pt1/pp240-241 so it is entirely plausible that a signals school may have been based there.

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49 minutes ago, daggers said:

Thanks to you both.  I am too far from Kew to look those references up, and the list looks like several days' worth!

I'll try Chester when visiting next.

 

D

My apologies if you have a disability which restricts your ability to travel, but it's only 212 miles, daggers. Many men from Liverpool went to the Western Front in 1914-1918, and for many of them it was a one-way journey. Try this site:

https://www.tripsavvy.com/transportation-from-london-to-liverpool-1662511

 

You should find your answer in one of the "Composition of HQs Home Defence Forces" or "Distribution of Home Defence forces" files - you don't have to look at all the files in the list.

 

Ron

 

 

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Ron, It’s age, and far too old for recall to the colours.

David, that looks a likely link.

Thanks again for your interest.

D

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Buried in the middle of this thread is Ewan's description of 1/1 DoLOY and it was A Squadron that left for Egypt in September 1914 remaining out in that area of the world for the duration of the war. As Captain Shaw also went to Egypt in September 1914 (ref his MIC) then he would have had to have been posted either for training or to a different duty / unit to have been in Chester in 1916. It would seem to be a long way to come just for training....https://www.greatwarforum.org/topic/176039-duke-of-lancasters-own-yeomanry/ 

 

 

War diaries for the squadron haven't yet been digitised either... :( ...and the one below may be too late for your purposes anyway.

https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C4557745

 

I can't see a service file for him via TNA searching nor anyone who fits the bill on the long number list....

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I have looked deeper into the diary which set me off on this path and find that Frank Shaw had completed a six-week course on signals, with exams,  before January 1916, and was appointed Asst Commandant of the same establishment that month.  As you say, the war diary you cite is unlikely to help.

I think that is as far as I need go, but I am grateful for all help.

Daggers

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Lots of mentions in the Welsh Army Corps Records (Western Command Orders) from The National Library of Wales, which are online.

 

One example - https://cymru1914.org/en/view/archive_file/4056333/63

 

EDIT: Frank Shaw attended the Fourth Course - https://cymru1914.org/en/view/archive_file/4056333/181

Edited by David Porter
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