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David26

BSM William Thorne (service number 21917) was KIA in the Ypres salient on 26 September 1917 while serving in B/58.  His MIC shows that he won the 1914 Star for service as a Sergeant with 30 Bde RFA on 19 August 1914.  I have just come across this photo of him which must therefore be pre-war (he appears to be a Bombardier) wearing a medal I cannot identify.  It looks a little like the Tibet Medal but the suspender looks too simple and I think there are two clasps, whereas I'm only aware that one was issued with that medal.  Is anyone able to identify which medal it might be?

 

Many thanks,

 

David.

Thorne, BSM W (IWM).jpg

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Andrew Upton

Queens South Africa Medal with two clasps, something like:

 

Image result for queens south africa medal

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David26

Thank you Andrew.  That struck me as a possibility but to me the colours didn't look quite right - wouldn't the light and dark shades be the other way round for that? 

 

David.

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Gardenerbill

Hi David,

That's due to the Orthochromatic film used at the time which produces black and white tones that don't always look right.

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David26
12 minutes ago, Gardenerbill said:

Hi David,

That's due to the Orthochromatic film used at the time which produces black and white tones that don't always look right.

Hi Mark,

 

That explains it. 

 

Many thanks to both you and Andrew,

 

David.

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HarryBrook

The Queen's South Africa Medal Roll for 19th Battery Royal Field Artillery lists 21917 Gunner Thorne, W., the medal with two clasps - Tugela Heights and Relief of Ladysmith. In the Remarks Column is stated - Served in 19th Battery, invalided 30.8.00.  

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David26
On 05/07/2019 at 17:45, HarryBrook said:

The Queen's South Africa Medal Roll for 19th Battery Royal Field Artillery lists 21917 Gunner Thorne, W., the medal with two clasps - Tugela Heights and Relief of Ladysmith. In the Remarks Column is stated - Served in 19th Battery, invalided 30.8.00.  

That's fantastic.  Thank you HarryBrook.  

 

Do you happen to know what the term "invalided" means in this context? Given that he appears to have a bombardier's stripe in the photo and was a sergeant in 1914, would I be right to assume it didn't mean that he had been discharged but perhaps just evacuated back to the UK? 

 

Thank you again,

 

David.

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Dai Bach y Sowldiwr

Further to what Gardenerbill said above:

Orthochromatic film isn't really sensitive to red, only to blue and green, so on the film negative, a red cross (as in the union Jack) appears white, and a blue saltire is black.

When the negative is printed, the white cross becomes a dak cross, on a pale saltire background:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orthochromasia

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HarryBrook

David,

My reading of the remark in the medal roll would be evacuated back to the U.K. due to sickness.  

Harry

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David26

Harry, Dai Bach,

 

Thank you both - that's really helpful.

 

David.

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