AOK4 Posted 1 July , 2019 Share Posted 1 July , 2019 55 minutes ago, Melnyk said: Incredible! It makes sense that the church would write in Latin. Would they translate everything including proper names into the Latin version? Thank you! A million times, thank you! Just minutes ago I was able to make contact with the family through Skype. We will be meeting this coming Saturday. Hello, Indeed, first names were then translated into Latin. Jan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corisande Posted 1 July , 2019 Share Posted 1 July , 2019 18 minutes ago, AOK4 said: first names were then translated into Latin AS a non-Catholic I cannot be absolutely certain, but I think that today the same applies with Catholic Births and Marriages being recorded in Latin. Even my Compostella, which I got for doing the Camino de Santiago, is inscribed by the church in Latin for my name Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWK Posted 1 July , 2019 Share Posted 1 July , 2019 (edited) As per Wikipedia: variants of the given name George in different countries https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_(given_name) Quote Latin Europe: Georgius Slavic East Belarusian: Юры (Jury or Yury), Юрка (Jurka or Yurka) Russian: Георгий (Georgy), Юрий (Yury/Yuri), Егор (Yegor/Egor) Ukrainian: Юрій (Yury/Yuri), Георгій (Heorhiy), Єгор (Yehor) Georgius Hoszowski = Yurko Goshovskiy ? Edited 1 July , 2019 by JWK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seaJane Posted 1 July , 2019 Share Posted 1 July , 2019 2 hours ago, JWK said: Georgius Hoszowski = Yurko Goshovskiy That looks very likely JWK. I think the Russian hard G is quite often used to transliterate a hard H sound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corisande Posted 2 July , 2019 Share Posted 2 July , 2019 11 hours ago, JWK said: Georgius Hoszowski = Yurko Goshovskiy ? Shows how difficult it is to research, with many variables not covered by just a wild card in searches On thing that does exist here, on the USA arrival form, is the mother's (the woman who went to USA) nearest relative (her mother and that woman's full name and address) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Feledziak Posted 2 July , 2019 Share Posted 2 July , 2019 (edited) There are 5 hits for the name Hoszowski in the Ranglisten - not our chap though. But it does provide pre-war service records too. https://library.hungaricana.hu/en/view/RanglistenHeeres_1918/?pg=916&layout=s&query=hoszowski Example for Filaret Hoszowski below. As a coincidence Filaret was a Rittmeister - something to do with horses too. Edited 2 July , 2019 by Martin Feledziak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melnyk Posted 2 July , 2019 Author Share Posted 2 July , 2019 13 hours ago, JWK said: Georgius Hoszowski = Yurko Goshovskiy ? Polish, Russian, Ukrainian, German and Latin as well as the Cyrillic and Latin alphabets. I think it is safe to say that this type of research is the 3D chess of genealogy. Fortunately I found a place where the masters hang out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWK Posted 2 July , 2019 Share Posted 2 July , 2019 Your great-grandmother arrived on Ellis Island on the 4th May 1914 on board the SS "Vaderland" of the Belgian Red Star Line. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Vaderland_(1900) And there's a museum in Antwerp dedicated to the Red Star Line! https://www.redstarline.be/en The SS "Vaderland" sailed from Antwerp on 18th april: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corisande Posted 2 July , 2019 Share Posted 2 July , 2019 I don't know if you noticed it, but she appears to have travelled on the ship with a Stefan Booys (or Borys). He is on the line below her entry, comes from the same village, and gives the same intended address in USA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Feledziak Posted 2 July , 2019 Share Posted 2 July , 2019 7 minutes ago, corisande said: comes from the same village Good Spot, "Queen to Kings Bishop 2" so to speak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Feledziak Posted 2 July , 2019 Share Posted 2 July , 2019 8 hours ago, Melnyk said: 3D chess I always see it as trying to complete a huge jig-saw where hundreds of pieces have been lost or never existed. BUT where many thousands of random wrong pieces have been included in the box which has no picture on the front. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWK Posted 2 July , 2019 Share Posted 2 July , 2019 From 2017: Huge genealogical database of Ukrainians born in 1650–1920 opens online http://euromaidanpress.com/2017/06/24/huge-genealogical-database-of-ukrainians-born-in-1650-1920-opens-online/ And look who founded it: well, Igor Hoszowski ofcourse....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melnyk Posted 3 July , 2019 Author Share Posted 3 July , 2019 21 hours ago, JWK said: Your great-grandmother arrived on Ellis Island on the 4th May 1914 on board the SS "Vaderland" of the Belgian Red Star Line. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Vaderland_(1900) And there's a museum in Antwerp dedicated to the Red Star Line! https://www.redstarline.be/en Thank you! 18 hours ago, JWK said: From 2017: Huge genealogical database of Ukrainians born in 1650–1920 opens online http://euromaidanpress.com/2017/06/24/huge-genealogical-database-of-ukrainians-born-in-1650-1920-opens-online/ And look who founded it: well, Igor Hoszowski ofcourse....... Today I went in to pick up the records. There was a guy looking through an ancient book and using a high quality DSL to take photos. He looked exactly like Igor in the story. I opened the story on my phone approached him and asked if he was Igor. He said he wasn't, though I am skeptical. Anyhow, great find. It seems like they are doing an indexing program similar to those done by the Mormons at familysearch.org. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melnyk Posted 4 July , 2019 Author Share Posted 4 July , 2019 (edited) On 01/07/2019 at 03:09, Andrew Upton said: He appears to be in Polish military uniform, the wavy lace on the collar is a distinction still in use today: On 01/07/2019 at 03:15, Martin Feledziak said: looks good. here is one of mine from Krakow last year. I was finally able to contact family members here in Ukraine who know the family history. One of them saw my post on instagram and responded. You were correct. It is a Polish cavalry uniform. We will be meeting on Saturday. I will certainly ask for more details. Edited 4 July , 2019 by Melnyk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corisande Posted 8 July , 2019 Share Posted 8 July , 2019 I wonder what has happened now ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melnyk Posted 10 July , 2019 Author Share Posted 10 July , 2019 On 08/07/2019 at 01:53, corisande said: I wonder what has happened now ? Thank you for asking! http://vwvagabonds.com/novw/2019/07/10/melnyk-family-saga/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Feledziak Posted 11 July , 2019 Share Posted 11 July , 2019 (edited) Excellent that you have discovered your history and extra living family. That is fantastic. Also those videos are a great idea. They also become very precious as the years go by. Alyona is such a great find for you. So now we know that the man on the horse was Hunkevich Yllio Ivanovich (Хункевич Ылко Иванович) who went by the name Ilko. And taken much later than 1914. So what did become of him ? Edited 11 July , 2019 by Martin Feledziak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melnyk Posted 12 July , 2019 Author Share Posted 12 July , 2019 On 11/07/2019 at 03:03, Martin Feledziak said: So now we know that the man on the horse was Hunkevich Yllio Ivanovich (Хункевич Ылко Иванович) who went by the name Ilko. And taken much later than 1914. So what did become of him ? Thank you. The video was my wife's idea. Fortunately I married someone much smarter than me. Yes, that is the big question and the real reason Oksana pushed her grandchildren to reconnect with family from America. He disappeared after the war. She is convinced that he emigrated to America and was helped by my Great-grandmother. I have a cousin who remains very active in the Ukrainian church in Philadelphia and he will be searching the records to see if there was anyone by that name as a member of the church. We shall see. As for us, we made it to Odessa. A beautiful train ride across the country and an absolutely spectacular city. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWK Posted 12 July , 2019 Share Posted 12 July , 2019 (edited) The Polish uniform seems to have been right after all then! Beautiful picture of Ilko on horseback. Perfect poise. How did that photo come into your/the family´s possession? Was it sent over from Poland/Ukraine/Russia, or was it hand-delivered? Anyway, a true journey of discovery. You meet people who are family, and you didn't even know they existed until recently. You hear things you like, you hear things you don't like. But you come away with a much better understanding of your family. Wish you'd made this into a documentary. Blows away all that "Who do you think you are?" cr*p that poisons TV (in the US, the UK, the Netherlands etc) these days. Hope you find what happened to Ilko! And, in the meantime, enjoy your trip! Edited 12 July , 2019 by JWK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corisande Posted 12 July , 2019 Share Posted 12 July , 2019 7 hours ago, Melnyk said: And taken much later than 1914. So what did become of him ? A fascinating take, and remarkable that you have been able to trace most of it. As you say more details to tie down, but at least you have established the main thread, and the name of the characters involved As genealogy is written by those who survived, then it is difficult to get exact stories, as people always put a spin on their contribution. But you have enough facts to cross-check, even finding out that it was her cousin that went to USA on the immigrant ship. And most of it does seem to cross-check Well done :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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